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The ATP president Andrea Gaudenzi has given an extensive interview with the Italian press today. Lots of interesting details about the ATP plan for the second half of the 2020 season:
  • The ATP's goal is to have 3 Slams (Melbourne, New York and Paris) and 7 Masters 1000 in the 2020 season.
  • They are hoping that the summer hard court tournaments will regularly take place in North America as scheduled, but Gaudenzi says that "the US Open has plans to move the tournament in case it's not possible to play in the summer."
  • After the US Open, the ATP is planning a 4-week clay court swing in Europe with a Masters 1000 event before Roland Garros, then Roland Garros and finally another Masters 1000 after Roland Garros.
  • Both the ATP and WTA tours should then head to Asia. Gaudenzi emphasizes the fact that there's currently a strong collaboration between both tours to save the Asian swing, which "is very important to the WTA," he says.
  • It will not be possible to move the ATP European indoor season, therefore it will have to take place as scheduled: The venues in Vienna, Basel and London are only available on the original dates.
  • A bunch of other events that didn't take place in the first half of the season will be re-scheduled after the ATP Finals: There will be no off-season.
  • When asked about the possibility to create European, American and Asian leagues in case the travel restrictions prevented global events from happening, Gaudenzi said that it is something that ATP is considering even if it's not their preferred option.
Source: Andrea Gaudenzi: “Roland Garros perdonato, basta litigi per raccogliere briciole”
 

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One thing left unsaid is that the Asian swing is important to the WTA financially, but so too has the WTA done a better job of developing a tennis revenue stream in Asia that exists in spite of low match attendance. The ATP will be happy to piggyback on that.

Maybe this will be the crisis the purges the ATP of sexist reactionaries on the player council and board and lead to the integration of the WTA and ATP as a single tour with more combined events than standalone ones.
 

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All sports have to make plans just in case they can play. You have to be ready. No one knows for sure what will happen in June and July. Some models are very positive, and some are not
This one is positive, coming from US
 

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One thing left unsaid is that the Asian swing is important to the WTA financially, but so too has the WTA done a better job of developing a tennis revenue stream in Asia that exists in spite of low match attendance. The ATP will be happy to piggyback on that.

Maybe this will be the crisis the purges the ATP of sexist reactionaries on the player council and board and lead to the integration of the WTA and ATP as a single tour with more combined events than standalone ones.
🙄🙄 I heard mentioned not long ago that the only tournament that is profitable in China is the Shanghai Masters so I'm sure ATP would love to piggyback on WTA's success in China.
 

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All sports have to make plans just in case they can play. You have to be ready. No one knows for sure what will happen in June and July. Some models are very positive, and some are not
This one is positive, coming from US
Based on your leader's past prognoses, why on earth would you believe anything that's labelled "the latest from the White House?" Yes, I'd LOVE to believe those numbers, and to believe that the peak is only four days away, but I think you'd have a hard job trying to sell it to the people in New York.
 

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🙄🙄 I heard mentioned not long ago that the only tournament that is profitable in China is the Shanghai Masters so I'm sure ATP would love to piggyback on WTA's success in China.
Which actually proves the point, and this is where the WTA's China strategy pays off:

In 2019, the ATP held 4 tour-level events in China, all in a three-week period.
In 2019, the WTA held 7 tour-level events in China and 2 YEC events in China (plus Hong Kong, which was canceled) that spanned four separate months.

The WTA has developed partnerships with Chinese tournament license holders who are willing to operate and front money for tournaments at a loss with decade-long contracts. The ATP has not. If the European swing (and American swing) get massively culled, players will have fewer places to play/earn a living.

So yes, if Asia is the continent, and China in particular the country, that can accommodate players from around the world to play money tournaments this season and get matches on TV so that the sport doesn't lose a whole season, the ATP will be hat-in-hand to ask the WTA to allow for dual-gender events, and given the way men's tennis has generally shit on the women's game for years, this is an opportunity for the WTA to flex its muscles a bit and exact some concessions.

As a fan of women's tennis on this forum for women's tennis, I'm pretty glad about that.
 

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Which actually proves the point, and this is where the WTA's China strategy pays off:

In 2019, the ATP held 4 tour-level events in China, all in a three-week period.
In 2019, the WTA held 7 tour-level events in China and 2 YEC events in China (plus Hong Kong, which was canceled) that spanned four separate months.

The WTA has developed partnerships with Chinese tournament license holders who are willing to operate and front money for tournaments at a loss with decade-long contracts. The ATP has not. If the European swing (and American swing) get massively culled, players will have fewer places to play/earn a living.

So yes, if Asia is the continent, and China in particular the country, that can accommodate players from around the world to play money tournaments this season and get matches on TV so that the sport doesn't lose a whole season, the ATP will be hat-in-hand to ask the WTA to allow for dual-gender events, and given the way men's tennis has generally shit on the women's game for years, this is an opportunity for the WTA to flex its muscles a bit and exact some concessions.

As a fan of women's tennis on this forum for women's tennis, I'm pretty glad about that.
As if the WTA management is competent enough to flex its muscles.

I'm confused how the US Open could operate as scheduled and then the tour would have a month-long European clay swing before Roland Garros (as indicated by his comments in the OP), but I like that they're being creative to find solutions.
 

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It is right and natural that the ATP/WTA are trying to prepare for all situations, from the very best scenarios to the very worst. In doing so it is quite right that they are preparing for the best case scenario in which case tennis is able to start soon after Wimbledon normally finishes. They would be failing in their duties if they didn't properly prepare for the circumstances in which they are able to play a full schedule during the 2nd half of the year.

Having said that, I would rate the possibility of such a schedule actually taking place as low, very low.
 

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Nothing will be played until we have a vaccine.

Next year's Aussie Open is in doubt (they are talking about 14 days quarantine for hundreds of players and officials and no spectators). Anything before that is gone.
 

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Nothing will be played until we have a vaccine.

Next year's Aussie Open is in doubt (they are talking about 14 days quarantine for hundreds of players and officials and no spectators). Anything before that is gone.

I think you're putting too much faith in the vaccine... at some point, life will have to go on with or without it.

That said, AO '021 is certainly not a guaranteed re-start date for tennis if some of these "experts" are wrong and the COVID doesn't show a decline in the summer. Let's hope the ATP plan is realizable and they can indeed play a full autumn season from September through December this year.
 

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Based on your leader's past prognoses, why on earth would you believe anything that's labelled "the latest from the White House?" Yes, I'd LOVE to believe those numbers, and to believe that the peak is only four days away, but I think you'd have a hard job trying to sell it to the people in New York.
Pretty much.
 

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As if the WTA management is competent enough to flex its muscles.

I'm confused how the US Open could operate as scheduled and then the tour would have a month-long European clay swing before Roland Garros (as indicated by his comments in the OP), but I like that they're being creative to find solutions.
You have to remember Gaudenzi is new to the job. Simon, on the other hand.....nothing much needs to be said about him.
 

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As if the WTA management is competent enough to flex its muscles.

I'm confused how the US Open could operate as scheduled and then the tour would have a month-long European clay swing before Roland Garros (as indicated by his comments in the OP), but I like that they're being creative to find solutions.
No. Gaudenzi didn't say that the 4-week European clay swing will be BEFORE Roland Garros. He said that his idea would be to have:
August 31 - September 13: US Open
September 14 - 20: Clay Masters 1000, probably Rome
September 20 - October 4: Roland Garros
October 5 - 12: Clay Masters 1000, probably Madrid

So Roland Garros will be in the middle of the 4-week European swing.
 

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I'm not very optimistic about the US hard court swing happening, unfortunately. Even if they don't play the event without fans, they'd still have to get hundreds of people like referees, umpires, tournament officials overseas and quarantined for two weeks, then quarantined for another two weeks before leaving. Not to mention that quarantine issues could prevent people from working or playing at the Rogers Cup before coming to New York.

Everyone from infectious disease specialists to travel agencies are all saying that unrestricted international travel is at least six months out, which puts us into October. It's possible that some tennis might be played, but a lot of events will have to be cut. Not to mention it's unrealistic to have players competing for 8-12 weeks in a row right before heading into a standard 2021 season.
 

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We are all speculating. We have to see which sports try to come back, how they do it, and how successful they are.
UFC is rushing back because their deal with ESPN involves the number of events and Endeavor needs the money. Baseball and NBA are both trying to figure out when and how
Tennis will watch and see how it develops. I wonder if they can still do the China events with mostly players from China. Maybe bring in a few big names on private planes with huge appearance fees
Its a combination of staying safe for all involved and the need to keep solvent
That leads to some tough decisions. But now its mid April and there is no rush, except by Dana White who really wants to put on an event soon
 

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Based on your leader's past prognoses, why on earth would you believe anything that's labelled "the latest from the White House?" Yes, I'd LOVE to believe those numbers, and to believe that the peak is only four days away, but I think you'd have a hard job trying to sell it to the people in New York.
New York's rate of hospitalizations is nearly flat. There was only a 1% increase (+200 people in the state) between Wednesday and today. If this continues, the number of people in hospitals will decline and deaths will surely follow - a sign that the apex is over. Also, I forgot to respond to your other post to me but it was thoughtful, thank you. New Yorkers are lucky to have Cuomo and an incredible medical system. I truly feel safe here, even though I hear sirens wailing outside my window every 10 minutes. I think my family is more worried about me than I am.

However, I don't know what life in NYC will be like after this first wave. I think we're all aware that another explosion could happen at any moment due to our density. I don't think we'll let our guard down. I also don't think big events will happen anytime soon. I predict periods of shelter-at-home advisories based on hospital capacity until there's a vaccine or cure.
 

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One thing left unsaid is that the Asian swing is important to the WTA financially, but so too has the WTA done a better job of developing a tennis revenue stream in Asia that exists in spite of low match attendance. The ATP will be happy to piggyback on that.
That's an advantage in this era of Corona

Social distancing already existed during the Asian swing :)
 

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Nothing will be played until we have a vaccine.

Next year's Aussie Open is in doubt (they are talking about 14 days quarantine for hundreds of players and officials and no spectators). Anything before that is gone.
Is it really financially possible to have a tournament with no spectators? They had 800K people this year. Let's say the average person spent 100$ on site (tickets, drinks, food, souvenirs, etc.) and they're starting with a $80M loss. Holding the ATP Cup with now crowd is slightly awkward as well.


Which actually proves the point, and this is where the WTA's China strategy pays off:

The WTA has developed partnerships with Chinese tournament license holders who are willing to operate and front money for tournaments at a loss with decade-long contracts. The ATP has not.
It isn't a "strategy" when they don't have any other option. They're dependant and vulnerable. Very few European cities are willing to take a chance on women tennis while the ATP has multiple option for every calendar slot that opens up.

The ATP can probably have a tournament in Xi'an or Harbin tomorrow morning if they want to.
 
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