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How are inspiration, sponsorships and fame of our best paid and most popular WTA players connected? What are some of the biggest criteria as to who inspires who, who supports who, who gets sponsors etc.? We've been going back and forth "defending" our favourite players without getting to the bottom of it at all. Trying to make sense of other people views and positions can be quite a hard thing, getting others to understand yours just as much.

So lets talk about our biggest stars namely: Serena & Venus Williams and Sharapova. The entire thing is a bit controversial, so bear with this opening post...

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For ages we've been hearing about how the Williams sisters have been such an inspiration to black people. This is no different on this board. This raises a lot of questions and because tennis is such an international sport even moreso.

Why is it that it has to be black players to inspire them? A lot of them only got into the sport because of it and follow it because of it. This is good for tennis, because the sport got more fans and people playing. Just like we talk about the Chinese finding inspiration in Li Na that they are able to do it, it seems that the same implies to the former. With the Chinese though it's not a matter of race, but rather nationality.

The Williams and their fans are adamant about them being Americans and representing the USA everytime they step on the court, so why is it that other American athletes fail to inspire them or they hadn't got inspired before the WS arrived? Why isn't being American enough when talking about the fans in the USA?

Serena Williams is the most accomplished active tennis player at the moment and her fans argue that she should be given the most sponsorship money and attention. It's often mentionned how Sharapova only gets more money, because she's white and blond. If black people are so proud and inspired by the Willams, why is it wrong for white people or even just immigrants doing big things in the USA to be inspired by Sharapova. Adding up overall potential target groups one ends up with having more opportunities for sponsors to make money, doesn't one? From a business point of view it makes sense if you apply the same criteria that these Williams fans use for themselves. Especially because as Serena says herself "tennis is a white sport". (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjzLNrk15oQ). You don't even have to limit it to tennis fans to have similar "target groups". You invest money in order to make more money. That's what the simplistic view of it basically is.

Isn't it a bit weird that a lot of black people cheer for the WS, because they are black, but they "accuse" white people of cheering for white people finding it sort of racist and vilifying them for it? That goes just as much for being a fan or sponsoring a player. Why is it that deemed okay? Why is getting and drawing extra inspiration from beating the "blonde, white Russian" glorified, celebrated and encouraged? (For example here on the board or Serena's entourage telling her how much more money Sharapova makes etc. to "fuel her on"). That is obviously only a partial reason to perform better, we're not saying this is the sole motivation here. One could only imagine though what the backlash would be if there was somebody who you'd even only get a vibe off wanting to beat the WS because they are black, again even if it was only a partial reason. Similar to the backlash the "tennis establishment", the commentators, the USTA, a lot Americans etc. receive for not supporting or favouring them.

To expand on the whole sponsorship thing eluding to the "simplistic view" of it all: there are a lot more reasons as to why you'd want to sponsor somebody or how successful you are acquiring sponsors. It's not just "black and white" (sorry for the pun...). It depends on:

*results
*style of game
*the quality of your management and knowing people in the business
*being good at business oneself
*your professionalism on and off the court and even away from the game which can include: incidents, violations, being humble, being sportsmanlike, being gracious and grateful, being able to learn / forgive / apologize, being rooted, no major unecessary scandals in personal life or explicit pictures etc. that could scare off sponsors, being sincere, character, reliability)
*sacrife and time spent in acquiring and keeping the sponsors
*personality
*looks and style
*personal story
*charity
*nationality
*religion
*political views
*fluency in languages
*"x-factor"
*something different, something new, something that reflects today's "vibe"
EDIT: *age

The list goes on and on and a lot of it actually isn't even really measurable or "doesn't even make sense" so to say. It's more complicated than one thinks, that's why the managers and the executives get the big bucks.

So, to finish this opening post, please try to think about it, argue and discuss seriously rather just give some shallow answers that leave these very real questions unanswered or just attack for no reason.

There are a lot of things that are intertwined, so I guess only a serious discussion will enable us to get more clarity on all of these matters.
 

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analyse as much as you like, just have a look at people voting with their fingers, these sorts of numbers are what ad execs will be looking at, like it or not.

Facebook followers

Sharapova 7,872,612
Serena Williams 1,117,322
Venus Williams 1,110,897
 

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Age is also an important factor. I mean Caro can be sponsored by Rolex is because of her young age, hoping she can bring this to the new generation, the youngsters...
 

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analyse as much as you like, just have a look at people voting with their fingers, these sorts of numbers are what ad execs will be looking at, like it or not.

Facebook followers

Sharapova 7,872,612
Serena Williams 1,117,322
Venus Williams 1,110,897
I would use Serena's Twitter numbers no Facebook as she updates that herself;)

This is such a big topic to discuss because there are so many factors that make a player marketable. A good management team is vital. I always point to the example of Ana Ivanovic in 2008. She ticked all the boxes after she won Roland Garros that year apart from a good management team and because of that she didn't get the endorsements that she should have done after that win. Forget about now, I am talking about then.

Anna Kournikova was the first 'It girl' in the internet age but now companies aren't just going to throw money at a 'pretty girl', they now need the big results to back it up.
 

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One more thing I wanted to post on this topic is that there are no retired players that have been able to re-invent themselves out of tennis. Either they disappear or are linked to tennis in some way eg.commentator, coach...

But I really think that Maria has a good chance of doing a Victoria Beckham (transforming herself from a pop singer to designer)and in 10 years she will be still around in some form (eg.designer).
 

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Talking about fb or twitter followers ,it doesnt show how much fans of the Chinese players as their fans and themself cannot have access to FB or twitter. But here are their weibo's fans number

Zheng Jie: 1,127,756
Peng Shuai: 440,027
Li Na: 6,269,224
 

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Rolex is sponsoring so many players, it kind of cheapens the brand. It isn't exclusive enough.
Not really. Ana Ivanovic, Caroline Wozniacki, Li Na, Roger Federer, Pete Sampars...
 

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One more thing I wanted to post on this topic is that there are no retired players that have been able to re-invent themselves out of tennis. Either they disappear or are linked to tennis in some way eg.commentator, coach...

But I really think that Maria has a good chance of doing a Victoria Beckham (transforming herself from a pop singer to designer)and in 10 years she will be still around in some form (eg.designer).
Do you mean women or just in general? Cause Borg has a very succesful underwear line :happy:
 

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Not really. Ana Ivanovic, Caroline Wozniacki, Li Na, Roger Federer, Pete Sampars...
Tsonga as well.
Keep Federer and Li for the Chinese market. They're on an another level than the rest.

Wozniacki isn't branding herself well. Her sponsors don't "links" well together.
Compeed, Rolex, some underwear and Turkish Airlines is just plain weird.
 

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Why is it that it has to be black players to inspire them? A lot of them only got into the sport because of it and follow it because of it.
Red flag #1. That's a racist assumption. Black people get inspired by more than just black people. But there is nothing wrong with blacks (or any other race) wanting to feel represented in tennis or any other sport. You'd want the same thing if you were a part of a minority.
Just like we talk about the Chinese finding inspiration in Li Na that they are able to do it, it seems that the same implies to the former. With the Chinese though it's not a matter of race, but rather nationality.
And you know that how? There are no white or black Chinese players burning up the ranks.

The Williams and their fans are adamant about them being Americans and representing the USA everytime they step on the court, so why is it that other American athletes fail to inspire them or they hadn't got inspired before the WS arrived? Why isn't being American enough when talking about the fans in the USA?
You lost me. Rephrase please.

Serena Williams is the most accomplished active tennis player at the moment and her fans argue that she should be given the most sponsorship money and attention.
Isn't that kind of the point of excelling in a professional sport? It happens on the men' side with Roger. Or is women's tennis not a real sport?

It's often mentionned how Sharapova only gets more money, because she's white and blond.
If there is another reason her fans call her more marketable for her looks than please state it.

Isn't it a bit weird that a lot of black people cheer for the WS, because they are black,
That is weird, in fact it's a damn weird racial assumption. I remember the tennis channel showing a young black girl that won a chance to meet her idol Maria, guess she didn't get the memo. I also recall the Williams themselves touting Seles as their biggest inspiration, not Zina or Althea. Guess they didn't get it either.
They "accuse" white people of cheering for white people finding it sort of racist and vilifying them for it?
Cheering for a player because of race isn't that bad, of course people cheer for who they can relate to. It's when you start cheering against a player mainly because of race is when it becomes a problem.
 

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Red flag #1. That's a racist assumption. Black people get inspired by more than just black people. But there is nothing wrong with blacks (or any other race) wanting to feel represented in tennis or any other sport. You'd want the same thing if you were a part of a minority.

And you know that how? There are no white or black Chinese players burning up the ranks.


You lost me. Rephrase please.

Isn't that kind of the point of excelling in a professional sport? It happens on the men' side with Roger. Or is women's tennis not a real sport?

If there is another reason her fans call her more marketable for her looks than please state it.


That is weird, in fact it's a damn weird racial assumption. I remember the tennis channel showing a young black girl that won a chance to meet her idol Maria, guess she didn't get the memo. I also recall the Williams themselves touting Seles as their biggest inspiration, not Zina or Althea. Guess they didn't get it either.

Cheering for a player because of race isn't that bad, of course people cheer for who they can relate to. It's when you start cheering against a player mainly because of race is when it becomes a problem.
1) I never said they didn't get inspired by other people. We're talking tennis here though not in general and it is a fact that a lot of black people became tennis fans because of the sisters. Notice that I always used "a lot of", but where were these fans before sisters? I eluded to them and wondered how just about any other American tennis player for example couldn't inspire them.

It's very difficult to understand as everyone has their personal views and experiences, but lets say a Mexican who is naturaized and lives in the USA and wants Mexican athletes to do well. Obviously he is a part of minority. So he cheers for the Mexican to win say at boxing no matter what colour the athlete is, because well he's Mexican. But with African Americans aren't you represented in sport by any American athlete, why do you say "you'd want to be represented if you are part of a minory" is the question.

2) There may not be white or black or whatever Chinese, but there are a lot of different languages and cultures in China, but at the end of the day it's all about getting the win for the country at the Olympics and not just part of the country. You never hear these athletes specifying anything else. The only thing we got remotely close to that has been through Jie and her charity when she had a good GS run.

3) What I meant was: the WS and their fans put a lot of emphasis on the fact that they are representing the USA in whichever tournament they play may it be FC, OG, WTA or GS. Now if that is such a big thing, maybe even a bigger thing than supporting the WS as players and people over the country for some, why do a lot of fans not feel inspired or represented by say a McHale. They play for the same country after all. Usually this emphasis appears when the WS are critisized for playing too few FC ties (maybe Serena moreso than Venus) and then it is often also said "but when they go get medals for the USA, they don't mind".

4) Sure, Roger gets the most money. But Andy Murray gets more money than Djokovic simply because he's British. There's more to it as stated in the points what makes somebody marketable or not. He speaks multiple languages for example. I don't wanna get into that more, because I don't like him :lol:

5) Again, go through all the points in there and I'm sure you can find many yourself. She speaks two languages. She's based in the USA and made a name for herself there yet hails from Europe widening the appeal range. She hasn't had scandalous moments on the court. She hasn't had explicit pictures going around. She wasn't drunk on stage. She doesn't break rackets. Her press conferences are professional and diplomatic (sometimes a bit defensive though especially when the same questions are asked all over again -> grunting) unless she gets attacked first, then she'll strike back. She's been more reliable unless injured in showing up at tournaments...etc. etc....

6) Again I said a lot... I didn't say all of them. If you watch that youtube link over there, you can see that she states Zina as an inspiration, but it doesn't matter, since I said a lot of...

7) So wait you say cheering for somebody you can relate to isn't bad, but then you say Sharapova gets more money because of her looks which is a racial assumption by you. But if in general more people relate to Sharapova for different reasons... why shouldn't she get more money? See what I did there? Especially since you say cheering against a player mainly because of her race/looks is a problem. Well isn't that just what a lot of WS fans do even if it is just for the sake of the media/sponsors favouring her?

Obviously I relate to Russians and Serbians, because I'm Greek, I'm not going to deny that and be hypocritical about it. I also cheer for something that I can relate to. And I don't live in Greece, so as a foreigner I'm a minority here as well, but I don't feel the need to be represented here, I cheer from afar. Besides I already represent my country everyday, doesn't always have to be on the big scale.
 

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I would use Serena's Twitter numbers no Facebook as she updates that herself;)

This is such a big topic to discuss because there are so many factors that make a player marketable. A good management team is vital. I always point to the example of Ana Ivanovic in 2008. She ticked all the boxes after she won Roland Garros that year apart from a good management team and because of that she didn't get the endorsements that she should have done after that win. Forget about now, I am talking about then.

Anna Kournikova was the first 'It girl' in the internet age but now companies aren't just going to throw money at a 'pretty girl', they now need the big results to back it up.
This is a good point actually. Post Wimbly-2004, Sharapova was always gonna be successful but she was well managed and as her career progressed the management became better and better.

Tsonga as well.
Keep Federer and Li for the Chinese market. They're on an another level than the rest.

Wozniacki isn't branding herself well. Her sponsors don't "links" well together.
Compeed, Rolex, some underwear and Turkish Airlines is just plain weird.
This is a good point too. Sharapova and the Williams sisters link their off-court endeavours well. With Serena and Venus its all about flair and stuff they've designed and standing out. With Sharapova it's all the expensive stuff. Tiffany's - jewellery we can't afford, Cole Haan - shoes and bags we can't afford, Land Rover - car that we can't afford, Tag - can't afford me one of those, and even the water she endorses is fucking overpriced. But it all goes well together in all their cases so they themselves have an image as a brand.
 

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Well apparently according to schorsch being Polish automatically excludes you from sponsorship deals, fame and fortune:


Has Sharapova done more... Aug 5th, 2012 07:34 PM schorsch cara, you can troll all you want, but rat will never get huge sponsorships, because they don't generally wanna invest in polish players. its a "silent rule". even polish hägen däzs or however you spell it took a nordic name to hide their roots ...

Failed to mention that so far in your enlightened opening post. What is specifically that makes the polish so unmarketable? Why do they have a "silent rule" when other eastern european countries are free from such discrimination?

Go on, I'm fascinated to find out more!

 
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