In 19 Belgium will be ranked world #1 and #2!
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The biggerst problem some of my fellow williams fans have in common is that they have no grace when the sistaz have lost. They just get emotionally sulk and can't afford to complement the players who have beaten them.
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Are you on fucking drugs or what? I haven't been bothered to follow your act, but as far as I can tell you don't have much credibility as a Williams fan or for anything else. You don't think every Williams fan is like that? That's probably why I dedicated 2 sentences at the end of the post to that exact subject. Go jump off a building or something.CamilleVidann said:
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Then you're no worth replying.disposablehero said:
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I don't know if I should :lol: or 
at this thread.
In these kinds of threads, the same things seem to come up over and over again. Some points are valid, some are grasping at straws. When discussing who is "the best player in the world" nothing beyond 52 weeks should matter. Who cares if somebody won a slam 3 years ago? That doesn't mean anything to who is the best player in the world now. Right now, I bet anybody in the top 10 could beat Martina Navritilova (sp?) so does that mean that they are better than her now? Of course. Oh but wait, Martina has won multiple slams and Mauresmo hasn't. Does that change anything? Of course not. Amelie is still a better player right now than Martina is right now. Oh but Martina's slams were a long time ago, what I'm talking about is just 3 years ago. WHO CARES? Being in good form 3 years ago has absolutely nothing to do with the form you're in now. Sure if you're talking best players ever then yeah of course, it makes a huge difference but if you're talking best players now, it doesn't matter.
Another thing is injury. How many times has somebody heard the phrase "if she wasn't injured"? I know I read it at least 10 times daily on this board. Yeah if she wasn't injured, Venus might have won 5 titles this year. But if my aunt and uncle has enrolled by 20 year old cousin in tennis lessons when she was younger and sent her to good coaches and entered her in tournaments or ever gave her a tennis racket, maybe she'd be number 1 in the world right now and we wouldn't be having this discussion. If a player in injured and hasn't played enough to raise her ranking, obviously at the moment she's not as good as the players ranked ahead of her who are healthy and able to play. Would she be ranked higher if she weren't injured? Maybe but if's and but's aren't going to get us anywhere.
The only arguement against Kim and Justine that I've seen in here that I would actually consider valid is the h2h, even though that doesn't always tell the whole story ( i.e is Vera a better player than Venus?). Some people seem to think that because the head to head favors Venus, that makes all the other invalid arguements valid but it really doesn't. Results from 3 years ago aren't valid in figuring out who's the best player now. If Player A owned Player B three years ago and still owns her now, she's better because she owns her now, not because she owned her 3 years ago.
In these kinds of threads, the same things seem to come up over and over again. Some points are valid, some are grasping at straws. When discussing who is "the best player in the world" nothing beyond 52 weeks should matter. Who cares if somebody won a slam 3 years ago? That doesn't mean anything to who is the best player in the world now. Right now, I bet anybody in the top 10 could beat Martina Navritilova (sp?) so does that mean that they are better than her now? Of course. Oh but wait, Martina has won multiple slams and Mauresmo hasn't. Does that change anything? Of course not. Amelie is still a better player right now than Martina is right now. Oh but Martina's slams were a long time ago, what I'm talking about is just 3 years ago. WHO CARES? Being in good form 3 years ago has absolutely nothing to do with the form you're in now. Sure if you're talking best players ever then yeah of course, it makes a huge difference but if you're talking best players now, it doesn't matter.
Another thing is injury. How many times has somebody heard the phrase "if she wasn't injured"? I know I read it at least 10 times daily on this board. Yeah if she wasn't injured, Venus might have won 5 titles this year. But if my aunt and uncle has enrolled by 20 year old cousin in tennis lessons when she was younger and sent her to good coaches and entered her in tournaments or ever gave her a tennis racket, maybe she'd be number 1 in the world right now and we wouldn't be having this discussion. If a player in injured and hasn't played enough to raise her ranking, obviously at the moment she's not as good as the players ranked ahead of her who are healthy and able to play. Would she be ranked higher if she weren't injured? Maybe but if's and but's aren't going to get us anywhere.
And then some people wonder why Williams fans get a bad name
The only arguement against Kim and Justine that I've seen in here that I would actually consider valid is the h2h, even though that doesn't always tell the whole story ( i.e is Vera a better player than Venus?). Some people seem to think that because the head to head favors Venus, that makes all the other invalid arguements valid but it really doesn't. Results from 3 years ago aren't valid in figuring out who's the best player now. If Player A owned Player B three years ago and still owns her now, she's better because she owns her now, not because she owned her 3 years ago.
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This is not true of all Williams fans. We DO want competition, but the WS are just not getting it right now. It's more competitive than last year, but still not enough. Justine gave a glimpse at the French, but as much as everyone doesn't want to admit it, the way that semifinal went down took some of the luster off of that win. Media talks more about Clijsters beating Serena at the WTA Champs then they do about the French Open, at least here in America. Tennis was great in 99-01 when you had 7-8 players with a real chance to win a slam. Now it's down to just four, and even then Serena has won 5 of th last 6 slams. The reason women's tennis is not like it used to be is because the top four right now is significantly better than everyone else, and there is a gap between V and S and the Belgians, I know some will say the Belgians are better, but when they face off the Williams win about 75-80% of the time. I wish Graf hadn't retired when she did, or that Seles had gotten herself back in shape(I'm still puzzled about this one with all the tough physical trainers she could have hired). I wish Hingis was back and healthy, I wish Pierce was on her game and in shape. The top ten is severly lacking in GS champions. Capriati needs to get in better shape and get more agressive. Davenport's days are numbered. No one seems to be rising to the top like the Davenport's or the Williams or the Hingis' did. Players are taking even longer to develop. Women's tennis could be in real trouble in about 6-7 years.disposablehero said:
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Did I say this or am I fucking hallucinating? Next time I won't bother with disclaimers and I'll just lump everyone together.disposablehero said:
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I think YOU should try reading the whole post if you intend to comment on it. When I'm arguing, I'm supposed to START by making nice with people who are not part of the conversation?Knizzle said:
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By the way, this is a serious question. Why do you seem to have such a bad attitude when discussing things on the board. It's like you have a chip on you shoulder about something. It's only tennis. We can disagree about tennis and still be cool and get along. I'm not here to have bitter arguments with fans of other players, and dislike them just because they don't share my views on tennis. What about you??disposablehero said:
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hmmm, when they start losing their temper it's a clear sign they ran out of arguments.
I could possibly add that Justine has beaten Serena twice this year and Kim beat her in LA, when was the last time Venus beat Serena? I can't even remember :lol:
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Oh Geez...do we even remember what we're debating anymore?
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And if I was born both woman and man I would have already won 18 slam titles this year (if the year had ten slams)victory1 said:
liuxuan said:Just a thought - although a scary and surreal thought.
Imagine 12 months ago, after Serena and Venus had just contested their third straight grandslam final, if someone had said - this time next year Kima and Justine will be ranked #1 and #2? they would have been put in a straightjacket!
However it will be even stranger to know that the players ranked world #1 and #2 are actually the 3rd and fourth best players in the world
what is surreal, but not scary but ridiculous, is the idea that you can have a thought :lol:
I just realized the interesting sentence construction of our smart thread's author.liuxuan said:
In 19, what the hell is that? a district? do they call Flushing Meadows 19? (like Wimby SW19
)Belgium will be Ranked world # 1 and # 2.
Wow, I didn't know that Belgium played tennis, that's an achievement for the belgian tennis federations, their whole country plays tennis.
And despite that, how can a single entity (Belgium?) be ranked # 1 and 2 at the same time?
the level of intelligence of some posters is really shocking
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