How to beat Venus when she makes 15 or fewer UEs in a match
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1)Shoot Venus in the foot
2)Slip Venus a "mickey" on the change over
3)Hire football player to tackle Venus while she's awaiting serve
4)Hit Venus in knee with tennis racket by "mistake"
5)Hire ball person to replace tennis balls with large ping-pong balls
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This is only a joke. I would never promote any player being hurt. <IMG SRC="smilies/angel.gif" border="0">
[ October 15, 2001: Message edited by: HAIL-VENUS ]
2)Slip Venus a "mickey" on the change over
3)Hire football player to tackle Venus while she's awaiting serve
4)Hit Venus in knee with tennis racket by "mistake"
5)Hire ball person to replace tennis balls with large ping-pong balls
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This is only a joke. I would never promote any player being hurt. <IMG SRC="smilies/angel.gif" border="0">
[ October 15, 2001: Message edited by: HAIL-VENUS ]
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I think if you can match her in the serving department, you can have a chance. I guess you can hope that her 1st serve percentage is pretty dismal but the fact that she'd be making less than 15 UE's in a match means she'd be pretty confident with her whole game (including the serve).
If her opponent can serve big with a good % of 1st serves, stay aggressive and match her power AND make few unforced errors herself, I think this opponent can have a chance. But they would pretty much have to play the match of their lives!!!!
I think in this scenario, girls like Serena, Lindsay or Mary at their respective bests (mental, physical and technical bests) can seriously challenge Venus, but I still think Venus at her best can beat anyone's best.
If her opponent can serve big with a good % of 1st serves, stay aggressive and match her power AND make few unforced errors herself, I think this opponent can have a chance. But they would pretty much have to play the match of their lives!!!!
I think in this scenario, girls like Serena, Lindsay or Mary at their respective bests (mental, physical and technical bests) can seriously challenge Venus, but I still think Venus at her best can beat anyone's best.
Venus's serve is so powerful that when she is making very few UEs, she is extremely hard to get close to breaking. Her ability to hit fast, strong and accurate from anywhere on court is also awesome. A player's only hope is to notch up a few games quickly at the start of a match before Venus gets warmed up. Then hold on to your serve to take the first set.
Venus tends to warm up after 4 or so games, so the window isn't wide. if she's leading then, the other player has no real hope. Venus confidence will grow and her speed and power will dominate anyone. Get the first set, and it can be a different story.
Venus tends to warm up after 4 or so games, so the window isn't wide. if she's leading then, the other player has no real hope. Venus confidence will grow and her speed and power will dominate anyone. Get the first set, and it can be a different story.
How about going to net, and making her try to pass? Maybe she starts making errors.
Don't just hit the ball hard, put heavy spin on it.
Don't just put heavy spin on the ball, hit it hard.
End the point quickly. Venus likes rallying. (Which brings us back to going to net.)
Don't just hit the ball hard, put heavy spin on it.
Don't just put heavy spin on the ball, hit it hard.
End the point quickly. Venus likes rallying. (Which brings us back to going to net.)
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you cant do it.. this is impossible.
most DEFINATELY Venus can lose if she makes 15 unforced errors , because you've skipped the hidden statistic...FORCED ERRORS!.....
if Venus is feeling tight , and not hitting through the ball at 100% of the usual velocity...im sure even if she makes a meagre 15 errors players like Seles , Hinigs , Dokic , Davenport , Serena etc will step in and MOVE Venus...giving her less time to set up and forcing the error , or hitting a winner themself.
if Venus is feeling tight , and not hitting through the ball at 100% of the usual velocity...im sure even if she makes a meagre 15 errors players like Seles , Hinigs , Dokic , Davenport , Serena etc will step in and MOVE Venus...giving her less time to set up and forcing the error , or hitting a winner themself.
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SM2K, when Venus is making very few unforced errors, she is usually controlling her power very well, keeping the ball in play, and moving her opponent around. Venus with 15 or less unforced errors = Venus on top of her game. This also includes serving extremely well (power + placement), forcing her opponents into long tiring rallies, coming in to the net on short balls (forced by her powerful and accurate groundstrokes), and most importantly, stealing her opponents confidence.
In other words, it is nearly impossible because 15 or less unforced errors from Vee, probably means a flawless game from Vee.
In other words, it is nearly impossible because 15 or less unforced errors from Vee, probably means a flawless game from Vee.
i say your views being clouded .....i do agree that venus is currently playing like the no.1 , dont get me wrong , but shes not a 'machine'...
in saying shes not a machine she is not 100% consistent , so saying just cos her errors are low that shes playing good tennis is wrong!
tennis is like a chess game , even with power you need to use anticipation and perhaps intuition to know what your doing.....you need court sense..
in other words venus cant just pound the ball in any direction , she needs to be focussed...and it doesnt matter if errors are low alone..
also , her errors could be low cos shes tentative! u cant just assume shes belting the crap off the ball just cos errors are low , and even if shes just the slightest bit tentative , all i was saying isthe big hitters such as her little sister will exploit that!
theres a world/planet outside of Venus...open up to it <IMG SRC="smilies/wavey.gif" border="0">
in saying shes not a machine she is not 100% consistent , so saying just cos her errors are low that shes playing good tennis is wrong!
tennis is like a chess game , even with power you need to use anticipation and perhaps intuition to know what your doing.....you need court sense..
in other words venus cant just pound the ball in any direction , she needs to be focussed...and it doesnt matter if errors are low alone..
also , her errors could be low cos shes tentative! u cant just assume shes belting the crap off the ball just cos errors are low , and even if shes just the slightest bit tentative , all i was saying isthe big hitters such as her little sister will exploit that!
theres a world/planet outside of Venus...open up to it <IMG SRC="smilies/wavey.gif" border="0">
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Variety, angles, and above all coming to net are the key to beating Venus. Justine managed to take the 2nd set in the Wimbledon final in this way, and had she played the same way in the 3rd set she could have won. The thing is that Venus is so intimidating on court that most players find it difficult to be attacking. In that match Justine went back to being tentative and back to the baseline.
But I maintain that a match between Venus at her best and Justine/Martina/Amanda Coetzer/Anna at their most attacking and aggressive wouldn't be a foregone conclusion.
Venus is a fantastic player, no doubt about it, but even at her best she's beatable like anyone else. It's just a bit harder to beat her than anyone else... <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">
But I maintain that a match between Venus at her best and Justine/Martina/Amanda Coetzer/Anna at their most attacking and aggressive wouldn't be a foregone conclusion.
Venus is a fantastic player, no doubt about it, but even at her best she's beatable like anyone else. It's just a bit harder to beat her than anyone else... <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">
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SM2K, there is also a planet Venus, you should visit it sometimes. <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">
It's very obvious that you didn't read my entire post. Nowhere does it say that Venus' "power alone" wins matches for her. You also can't just think that because Venus' errors are low that she's playing poorly. You apparently know nothing about Venus' game. When she's ON, and her opponent is ON, betting on Venus is a very good idea. She's proven this many times over. My accessment on this issue is not as unjustified as you would like to make it seem.
I also forgot to mention Venus' newly aquired of about 1 year and 1/2, mental toughness and competitiveness. The argument is NOT whether Venus is beatable. She's been beaten plenty of times. She obviously has to be playing well to keep her errors under 15. Hell, she's nearly unstoppable with 30+. How do you think she's stoppable with 15 or less?
[ October 16, 2001: Message edited by: HAIL-VENUS ]
It's very obvious that you didn't read my entire post. Nowhere does it say that Venus' "power alone" wins matches for her. You also can't just think that because Venus' errors are low that she's playing poorly. You apparently know nothing about Venus' game. When she's ON, and her opponent is ON, betting on Venus is a very good idea. She's proven this many times over. My accessment on this issue is not as unjustified as you would like to make it seem.
I also forgot to mention Venus' newly aquired of about 1 year and 1/2, mental toughness and competitiveness. The argument is NOT whether Venus is beatable. She's been beaten plenty of times. She obviously has to be playing well to keep her errors under 15. Hell, she's nearly unstoppable with 30+. How do you think she's stoppable with 15 or less?
[ October 16, 2001: Message edited by: HAIL-VENUS ]
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