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I think this should really be discussed now. <br />Of course every court is different. Even at the same tournament (usually the Centre Courts at Grand Slams are mzch different fro mthe ouside courts). But how many general categories do we have ? I don't know enough about them to answer this.

Of course we have clay, hardcourt and grass.<br />What is with rebound ace (which is, I think, used at the Australian Open) ? Is it just like hardcourt ?<br />And what's with indoor-courts ? There are many different types. Is it another category ? Or should we name them harcourts as well.

Anyone with personal experience ???
 

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rebound Ace is rubberised surface made up from old used car tyres , when it gets too hot the court gets sticky <img src="redface.gif" border="0">

indoor can be both carpet and hard.<br /> speed of court depends on what the surface is laid on

if wood its slower than if laid on cement.

<br />All court surfaces according to specifications are supposed to be the same but I know that it isn't.

Clay court surfaces are also affected by how much top dressing is put on and what speed the ball is like.

Grass courts .... they're all different as no one court is like another.
 

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I agree. Men's tournament indoor in Stuttgart, for example: you could see it was a very slow court.<br />But the surface used at the Chase in 1999 (and 2000?) was laughably fast compared to that, the ball just slit away.

Grass: Men's in Halle - obviously Germans are no experts in grass courts, the ball doesn't bounce at all, compared to Wimbledon.
 

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Your 4 basic groups:<br />1 - hardcourts<br />2 - clay<br />3 - grass<br />4 - indoors

Expanded Version<br />1 - Rebound Ace<br />2 - North American Hardcourt (usually DecoTurfII but I'm sure there must be others)<br />3 - Red Clay<br />4 - Green Clay<br />5 - Grass<br />6 - Indoor Hard<br />7 - Indoor Carpet

And of course everything could differ within those groups depending on other conditions.

I'm very confused over the indoor hard and indoor carpet differences. They treat those differently when you look up a players' results in the ITF database. Also, when you look up the surface stats on the Sanex site you'll notice that they include indoor hard wins with regular hardcourt stats.
 

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I think the carpet surfaces is a wooden surface covered by a "carpet". The sound of the ball hitting the ground is different on a hard indoor than on a carpet court.

Hard Indoor (e.g Filderstadt) is just a Decoturf II (often) built on an arena <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

Supreme Indoors is a kind of carpet, very very smooth, so the balls runs faster <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <br />The rougher the court, the slower it is
 

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other hardcourt surfaces

PlexiPave..... home to Indian Wells/Key Biscayne and others<br />ATP Stockholm Indoors is PlexiPave

Supreme was the 1st make of carpet court.

there are lots of other manufacturers now

Greenset<br /> Taraflex<br /> Opticourt
 

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Correct me if i'm wrong but I thought that the 4 major surfaces are: Hardcourt; Clay; Grass and Carpet.

That is, I thought 'indoors' wasn't really a surface.

For example, Hardcourt indoors is NOT a different surface from a Hardcourt outdoors. I mean it's still Hardcourts. Yes? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 

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but indoors makes it quite diferrent.

no wind/sun/

also ball travels faster cos of atmosphere indoors<br /> so it is different.
 

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Yes, I guess Carpet really is the fourth "surface." Given that you play ON carpet and indoors is more of a location.

You don't really hear people say "carpet" titles. You hear "indoors." Maybe because it's more easily identifiable.

Fall indoor season. Not fall hardcourt and carpet season.

Lindsay won three indoors titles this fall. How many of them were on hard and how many were on carpet?

It's so freakin' confusing.

Easier to just call it "indoors."

[ December 04, 2001: Message edited by: cynicole ]</p>
 

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That's weird. I thought there was a indoor/carpet surface faster than hardcourt slower than grass, and a carpet surface close to the speed of clay but faster.

I think in terms of speed this would be it:

1] Grass<br />2] Indoor hardcourt<br />3] Hardcourt<br />4] Rebound Ace<br />5] Green Clay<br />6] Red Clay

*I omitted the indoor carpet surfaces cause I'm not sure.

As for height of bounce:

1] Indoor Supreme<br />2] Red Clay<br />3] Green Clay<br />4] Rebound Ace<br />5] Hard Court<br />6] Indoor hardcourt<br />7] Grass

* Did not include all indoor surfaces.<br />** Red and green clay have also similar bounce height.

Can anyone confirm if everything here is right?
 

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It's always been a pet peeve of mine when people call indoors a surface. Indooes is the arena- and it affects the conditions- noting more.

BTW, supreme, the ball bounce on that list should not be #1- it should be #6.
 
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i want to play on rebound ace <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> faster than clay, slower than hard court....excellent....and im sure its not hell on the knees like what we got in california. stupid hardcourts <img src="redface.gif" border="0">
 

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I think it'll be just as bad on the knees. It is very hard too. It is classified as a hard court... <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
 

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Let's not forget Indoor Clay! :p
 
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