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How do you get to 15th best player in the world at the age of 27 and a half when you've never won 3 matches in a row in a Grand Slam AKA Qiang Wang ? She's only won 2 matches in a row in a major just twice.

Ranking System needs revising, even more points needs to be given to slam results or less to smaller tournies. And someone needs to fill in her French Open result on wiki.
 

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Because slams aren't everything
 

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The tour has become much more rich and competitive, so much more balance of forces in the top 50 logically keeps individual feats from being impressive by the numbers.

In answer to that you suggest to overrate the slams a bit more again to overrank the players who would do well there once in a while.

Qiang Wang had great results in the second half of last year but didn't confirm this year. She will probably lose a lot of points by the end of this year if she doesn't find that level again.
 
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How do you get to 15th best player in the world at the age of 27 and a half when you've never won 3 matches in a row in a Grand Slam AKA Qiang Wang ? She's only won 2 matches in a row in a major just twice.

Ranking System needs revising, even more points needs to be given to slam results or less to smaller tournies. And someone needs to fill in her French Open result on wiki.
Nah, points are fine. The tour’s too weak. This is what happens when World 1s like Halep lose regularly in 1st round of slams. That inconsistency and mediocrity means that all the points of everyone are too low and it makes mediocre players seem good but they’re not.

The tour used to have great players and mediocre players. Now everyone’s mediocre.
 

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Sorry but the Grand Slams are the biggest tournaments on the calendar, the most prestigious, the most coverted and where everyone brings their A game because of everything at stake including points and prizes, not to mention the fact of the added pressure of performing either to keep or to attract sponsors.

Slams more often than not, sorts the wheat from the chaff, of course some top players have had early knock outs, but they still get to the last 8 fairly often.

Never winning two matches in a row in a slam and being ranked 15th is ridiculous, she seems to just vulture Asian events and in the last 12 months has had a poor record outside of there.

Nothing against here, sure she's a nice girl, but doesn't sit right.
 

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Take Chinese tournaments out of the equation and Q.Wang would be nowhere even near top 20. We all know the history of hers, Shuai Zhang and Sai Sai’s overinflated rankings and why.

The reason Na Li, Jie Zheng and Shuai Peng were taken seriously is because they were able to have some of their best results outside of their motherland. They had no problems reaching the 2nd week of a slam or beyond AND to top of it they were not competing in this current weaker era.
 

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Wang is not a vulture, or at least is not the ultimate vulture.

She has done very well in internationals, well in several Premiers, and in Zhuhai. She actually doesn't have a bad result on her current record at all except for the Grand Slams. This is actually fairly unique for a player to not have done poorly at a non-GS event. In other words, she actually supports the tour moreso than many.



While I also want Grand Slams to be worth more points, lately, Grand Slams have been a mess, with people winning Grand Slams without beating legends. GS are one more match than most of the other big tournaments (premiers), and this is reflected in the ranking points currently.
 

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Take Chinese tournaments out of the equation and Q.Wang would be nowhere even near top 20. We all know the history of hers, Shuai Zhang and Sai Sai’s overinflated rankings and why.

The reason Na Li, Jie Zheng and Shuai Peng were taken seriously is because they were able to have some of their best results outside of their motherland. They had no problems reaching the 2nd week of a slam or beyond AND to top of it they were not competing in this current weaker era.
That's a very Western/eurocentric perspective.
 

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Sorry but the Grand Slams are the biggest tournaments on the calendar, the most prestigious, the most coverted and where everyone brings their A game because of everything at stake including points and prizes, not to mention the fact of the added pressure of performing either to keep or to attract sponsors.

Slams more often than not, sorts the wheat from the chaff, of course some top players have had early knock outs, but they still get to the last 8 fairly often.

Never winning two matches in a row in a slam and being ranked 15th is ridiculous, she seems to just vulture Asian events and in the last 12 months has had a poor record outside of there.

Nothing against here, sure she's a nice girl, but doesn't sit right.
The slams remain the most prestigious tournaments, but there's a WTA tour that reflects every bit as much, maybe even more, the reality of the field. You don't "vulture" Asian events, it's an important part of the season, with Beijing as a Mandatory. All the top players play the asian tour and Qiand Wang played very well there last year (same for Garcia the previous year). What's this ridiculous disdain of the Asian tour?
 

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She's simply only good on hard and with that she only became Top 20 player this season? She lost to Sevastova in AO and Keys at USO.. She never got good slam draws give her more time.
 

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I get why you would jump to that conclusion. I was referring to the facts.
That's not a jump to conclusion, that's a fact.

Who says she is not "taken seriously"? Further, as you mention, almost everyone in this era feels both beatable and dangerous at any moment.
 

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A lot of players - I could mention dozens of them - struggle to keep the level they reached after making considerable efforts to do so. It gives an idea of the physical challenge it is. You won't be given a rest in a field of this density.
 
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Wang has an Elite Trophy final, a Premier Mandatory SF, QF and 4R, and a Premier 5 SF on her record at the moment. That's a very impressive tour record for a #15 and the fact that she's ranked as low as she is with this record suggests that her weakness in slams is accurately reflected in her position. I don't see a problem here, especially not a large enough one to justify making the non-slam parts of the year feel even more irrelevant than they already do. Things are already extreme enough that we've got players like Osaka who just don't bother outside of slams, and yet they can be world #1.
 

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I bet you take away her points from tournaments in China, she would be out of top 200.
She would be 60-70 range.

#14 Vondrousova would be 70-80 range if you took out her points from Europe. :shrug:
#16 Madison would be 50-60 range if you took out her points from the US. :shrug:
#17 Georges would be 40-50 range if you took out her points from Europe. :shrug:
#18 Konta would be 75-85 range if you took out her points from Europe. :shrug:


Similarly, Sabalenka would drop from #11 to around #30 if you took out her China points.
Similarly, Wozniacki would drop from #19 to around #35-40 if you took out her China points.

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Slams are overvalued already. Tennis is tennis and especially in the women side slams are easier physically with the extra day's rest. If more women where capable of "vulturing" their way into the top 20 i'm sure they would do it. Ranking system is similar for everybody and each is free to schedule as they please. They are awarding points and $$ in China for everyone, not just the Chinese. So all you have to do is get there and play.
 

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That's not a jump to conclusion, that's a fact.

Who says she is not "taken seriously"? Further, as you mention, almost everyone in this era feels both beatable and dangerous at any moment.
I was alluding to the FACT that she would not be ranked inside top 20 had it not been for an inequitable calendar which favours one’s native country in a weak part of the season. She’s over ranked as a result of the current system.
 
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