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Talking about women and fatness is often a good way to get flamed. But being overweight in athletics is frequently what dictates results. So I'm putting on my virtual flame-retardant suit and pressing on.

Before she re-hurt her knee , Lindsay Davnport was in the best physical condition of her career. Result, #1 ranking. When was the last time she was in this good shape? 1998, really. When she ended the year #1.

Jennifer Capriati enterred this year in the best shape of her career. Result, 2 GS titles and a couple glorious weeks as the #1 ranked player inthe world. By the USOpen though, you could see her conditioning had slipped a little. Not much, maybe 5-10 pounds, but that's the difference between a GS win and a GS semi sometimes.

Venus Williams is rarely overweight. In fact, she's occassionally UNDER-weight. Is this in any way related to frequent injuries?

Martina Hingis - If I was her coach, I'd hire away Amanda Coetzer's trainer and dietician. She needs the edge that tip-top physical condition can provide.

Kim Clijsters, Serena Williams, Justine Henin, Jelena Dokic, Amelie Mauresmo - Conditioning is not often a flaw for any of these players. Serena if any of them.

Monica Seles - Maybe inthe best shape she's been in since 1996. But to me, it still looks like 30 pounds more than 1991. Now Monica was quite slender then, so I very much doubt that she could drain off 30 pounds in a healty manner today. But she just doesn't have the speed at her curent weight. Or maybe she does. It's been a while since I've seen her against elite competition. Certainly she could 5-10 pounds without a heath risk.

Well, that's my assessment of the fitness/fatness/conditioning of the top ten. As a group, they are in pretty good shape. Just for laughs, though, let's assume I'm completely wrong.

What's YOUR opinion?
 

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I pretty much agree with you across the board.

I think Capriati has shown what 'strength' and a fine tuned strength at that can do not only for your overall fitness but your movement as well. I wouldn't say that until this season Capriati was the best mover around but this year that has been a weapon for her - particularly early in the season.

Re Lindsay - I get so mad when I STILL read that people think Lindsay is fat because she isn't speedy gonzales around the court. I think this year Lindsay has been in the best shape of her whole career (notwithstanding the knee troubles) - she is very slim for a woman who stands at nearly 6'3 and her poor movement can be attributed to not having fast twitch muscles aka Steffi Graf, Venus Williams. She endeavours the make the most of what she has and HOW some people can still refer to her as fat or dump truck is unbelievable and unforgiveable.

Re Martina Hingis - when I first saw her this year at the Hopman Cup I was very impressed. She looked so fit and ready to go. I really thought she would win the Aussie Open on that day but I didn't count on Jennifer Cap turning up in the shape she was in and remember Jen only barely scraped through that first round......what could have been for Hingis. I question whether she could actually really ever get out of Amanda's fitness trainer what Amanda has - I feel Hingis' work ethic off court may not be as strong as Amanda's but it is a good idea for her to at least attempt to get a bit stronger - perhaps even put on a but of weight and turn it into muscle. I fear though that Martina's probs are more mental than physical!
 

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Lindsay isn't the fastest player out there, but with her height, she doesn't have to be. Her footwork is actually quite good in terms of setting up for shots. You can hit the ball where she can't reach it, but if she gets to set up, she usually wins the point.
 

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I disagree with your opinion about Venus being under weight. I think she is slim and tall but not anorexic looking in the least. What makes you feel she's UNDER weight? Alot of tour players look slim like QueenGoddess Venus. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

<br />Oh and let me add.. Venus has slim long legs and a firm tummy, but her arms are not slim and skinny nor boney. I don't think tendonitis has anything to do with Venus's weight at all. It's her technique and her powerful play that is a call for her injuries. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> Sooooo there. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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I thought Venus looked the skinniest she has ever looked at the Australian Open this year. But her body seemed to be back to its best by Miami.
 

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What I heard from the Seles camp is that they are going to make Monica more stronger...rather than more quicker. Granted losing weight will result in better movement. But I believe they really think Monica can do her best just with sheer power rather than being too defensive. I guess we have to wait and see.
 

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I think Monica would be better off stronger than losing weight to get faster. Monica's main problem at the moment, as far as I can tell, is that while she has all the shots her stamina isn't good enough for her to last out 3 set matches. I've seen her lose matches through tiredness and that's something that she can rectify through becoming stronger. She's better off trying to outhit opponents (a la Lindsay Davenport) than trying to outrun them.
 

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Martina Hingis definitely needs some work.<br />She's not overweight, but she could work harder on her speed and power, cause she antecipates very well, but sometimes doesn't have the power to counterattack or the stamina to play full in a 3-setter. Plus, she has a thyroid problem which affects her body shaping, so she needs to be fitter than ever.

Jennifer Capriati is very overweight. She must do some abdominal exercises. So simple. Her adbomen is so very flaccid. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
 

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Anna Kournikova also needs to shape up.<br />She is very skinny, and she should earn like 6-8 pounds of muscle.<br />That would give her higher power and security, since the girl is so injury-prone because of her fragile body.
 

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Dawn Marie - See Braveheart's post. That was exactly what I was thinking of.
 

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Monica has gotten much thinner this year and much quicker and shes getting stronger she will be a major force in 2002!
 

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Meghann Shaughnessy, one of my favorite players, has a wonderful serve, groundstrokes, and quickness. But being a tall 5'11" she could definitely have an even BIGGER advantage if she would gain a little bit of weight. And of course, that's what she can her coach have been working on for the past year. She already has wins over Clijsters, Martinez, Coetzer, Monica Seles, and Venus Williams so far. I'm sure she'll be an even bigger force next year. GO MEG!! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
 
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meghan, very fit...if shes to gain anything it should be boobs

has anyone else noticed? i dont have the intention of being mean, though im aware this may sound rude....but really....im honestly curious
 

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NejedleyKanepi, you're not alone. I noticed too the very first time I watched her. It wasn't until later I found out that she was just born that way, it's not because she's flat chested it's because of a medical thing I guess. I've heard this from someone but forgot what it was called....
 

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She is as flat as a pancake.

HOW some people can still refer to her as fat or dump truck is unbelievable and unforgiveable.<br /><hr></blockquote>

How some people could ever refer her as dumptruck is inexcusable, IMO. Anyway, to say that her best shape before this year was 1998 is not only untrue but it assumes that her shape has been poor recently. She lost a ton of weight from 1996 till 1998, but, in 1998- while getting much trimmer-- she still was not close to her curret level today. Her weigh dropped off consistently until around Oz 2000, where it was at its best, IMO. It stayed that way for most of the 2000 and 2001- recently her stomach is not as trim and flat as 2000, but it is close. And, she seems to have bigger, more toned arms. Maybe she started some more strength training- that would explain all of that.
 

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No no no, Venus looks fine. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> She has beaten the top players this year and is conditioned. One would have to be in order to beat the top most physical power players on the tour. She outlasted 8 match points one time. Came back from 3/5 down in the third set to hit powerful forhands and backhands at the US Open 2000. This year she came back from 1/4 to suddenly beat Capriati. All the commentators think Venus is FIT. In fact she is known for "raising the bar" and "transcending" the physical limits in tennis. Venus imho being underweight has nada to do with her injuries. Not that I ever nor feel NOW that Vee is Under weight. When it comes to fitness and tennis imho Venus should not even be mentioned. We all know that Venus at the beginning of the year may not be 100% mentally ready and suffered from jet lag at the OZ Open. But she IMHO was never Underweight. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> Her face looked fine not sunken or anything. She beat Amanda Coetzer in the quarterfinals to make it to the semi's this year. Amanda is no joke one would have to be fit to beat her. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Venus doesn't need to shape up at all. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> By the way who's Braveheart? <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
 

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Good grief Dawn-Braveheart wasn't saying Venus was anorexic, just saying she looked thinner than usual at the Aussie. Look at tapes from the Aussie and Miami and you'll notice the difference.....

Every person has a weight they "peak" at, and a few pounds up or down can make a real difference. One look at Capriati at the Aussie in 2001 told me she was "serious". By year's end her body was different, with a lot more fat. When Hingis talked about how Serena looked "fat" at the Aussie in 2000, it may have been politically incorrect, but she was only being honest,and Serena's early loss was no surprise. Come Wimbledon 2000, Serena looked much better.

Hingis looked lean and mean in 2000. That US Open semi was brutal, and she was so close to winning because she was in such good conditoning, much better than 1996-7.

[email protected] <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> Since we're on 'boob patrol" what about Henin? A waffle has more ridges.... Pam Shriver once joked that the women had a contest to see who the locker room flat chest champ was, and she tied with Virginia Wade. As far as quality of tennis goes, in this case "less is more".<br />Big bosoms are tough on backhand volleys!
 

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No No no.. Imho saying Venus looks UNDER weight and using her as an example in a topic about fitness/fatness is a huge no no imho <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> Again Venus MAY have been a bit skinner in the earlier part of the year BUT that has nothing to do with FITNESS or SHAPING up. Venus played no warm-up tourneys and took a quick flight out to Australia. She imho was suffering from jet lag and was NOT prepared. But by her being so FIT and Conditioned she was still able to get to the semi-finals.

Rollo I am just expressing my opinions on the matter okay. I respect Bravehearts's opinions and Volcana's I just don't agree with them that's all. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> By the way I didn't see Braveheart's post at first.

Hiya Braveheart <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="graemlins/wavey.gif" border="0" alt="[Wavey]" />
 

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Are we talking about boobs here? <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> What about Capriati? When she sweats, we just see her small nipples on the dress, but no breasts.

On the other hand, Jelena Dokic and Serena Williams....

Comparison:<br />
<br />Jelly Dokic

 

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Venus was recovering from a bout of anemia early in the year. She had lost weight and it really showed in her face at the Aussie. She mentioned this in several interviews in January. I have always contended she just ran out of steam in Australia - thus the double breadsticks loss to Hingis. Venus was tired and didn't care.

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Iva Majoli really needs to shape up. She still has the shots and the mental faculties to be a top ten player but is limited (like Monica was) by her ability to go the distance. She needs to trade in some flab for some muscle!

Meghann Shaunessy needs to gain some weight! Apparently she is trying to do that in the off-season. Will be interesting to see if it works.

Other players that could benefit from strength training include: Lilia Osterloh, Tamarine Tanasugarn, Jelena Dokic, Daja Bedanova, Alexandra Stevenson & Petrova.
 
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