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First round winners:
(1) Amelie MAURESMO
Tatiana GOLOVIN
Q
(8) Ana IVANOVIC
(4) Patty SCHNYDER
Q
Conchita MARTINEZ
(6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA

Vera DOUCHEVINA
Sybille BAMMER
Q2
(3) Nadja PETROVA
Ai SUGIYAMA
Lisa RAYMOND
Vera ZVONAREVA
(2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA

Second round winners:
(1) Amelie MAURESMO
(8) Ana IVANOVIC
(4) Patty SCHNYDER
(6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA
Vera DOUCHEVINA
(3) Nadja PETROVA
Ai SUGIYAMA
(2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA

QF winners:
(1) Amelie MAURESMO
(4) Patty SCHNYDER
(3) Nadja PETROVA
(2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA

SF winners:
(4) Patty SCHNYDER
(2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA

WINNER:
(2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA
 

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round 1 winners

Mauresmo
Karatantcheva
Q
Ivanovic
Schnyder
Q
Martinez
Hantuchova
Douchevina
Bammer
Q2 (which is Qi and Q2 top Q1 and bottom q2????) Round points????????????
Petrova
Likhovtseva
Dulko
Zvonareva
Dementieva

Round 2 winners
Mauresmo
Ivanovic
Schnyder
Hantuchova
Douchevina
Petrova
Likhovtseva
Dementieva

Quarter winners
Mauresmo
Schnyder
Petrova
Dementieva

semi winners
Mauresmo
Petrova

Winner
Petrova
 

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1r:
Tatiana GOLOVIN FRA def. Sesil KARATANTCHEVA BUL

Q def. Tamira PASZEK AUT
(8) Ana IVANOVIC SCG def. Shinobu ASAGOE JAP

Iveta BENESOVA CZE def. Q

Conchita MARTINEZ ESP def. Marion BARTOLI FRA
(6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA SVK def. Klara KOUKALOVA CZE

Vera DOUSHEVINA RUS def. (7) Jelena JANKOVIC SCG
Sybille BAMMER AUT def. Virginie RAZZANO FRA

Q1 def. Q2

Ai SUGIYAMA JAP def. (5) Jelena LIKHOVTSEVA RUS
Gisela DULKO ARG def. Lisa RAYMOND USA

Vera ZVONAREVA RUS def. Kveta PESCHKE CZE

2r:
(1) Amelie MAURESMO FRA def. Tatiana GOLOVIN FRA
(8) Ana IVANOVIC SCG def. Q

(4) Patty SCHNYDER SUI def. Iveta BENESOVA CZE
(6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA SVK def. Conchita MARTINEZ ESP

Vera DOUSHEVINA RUS def. Sybille BAMMER AUT
(3) Nadja PETROVA RUS def. Q1

Ai SUGIYAMA JAP def. Gisela DULKO ARG
(2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA RUS def. Vera ZVONAREVA RUS

QF:
(1) Amelie MAURESMO FRA def. (8) Ana IVANOVIC SCG
(6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA SVK def. (4) Patty SCHNYDER SUI

(3) Nadja PETROVA RUS def. Vera DOUSHEVINA RUS
(2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA RUS def. Ai SUGIYAMA JAP

SF:
(6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA SVK def. (1) Amelie MAURESMO FRA
(2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA RUS def. (3) Nadja PETROVA RUS\

F:
(2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA RUS def. (6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA SVK
 

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R1:
golovin def karatantcheva
qualifier def paszek
ivanovic def asagoe
benesova def qualifier
bartoli def martinez
hantuchova def koukalova
jankovic def dushevina
bammer def razzano
qualifier 1 def qualifier 2
sugiyama def likhovtseva
dulko def raymond
peschke def zvonareva

R2:
golovin def mauresmo
ivanovic def qualifier
schnyder def benesova
hantuchova def bartoli
jankovic def bammer
petrova def qualifier
sugiyama def dulko
dementieva def peschke

1/4:
ivanovic def golovin
hantuchova def schnyder
petrova def jankovic
dementieva def sugiyama

1/2:
hantuchova def ivanovic
dementieva def petrova

F:
dementieva def hantuchova
 

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This is my replacement picks because Mauresmo withdrew


1st Round
(1) Amelie MAURESMO FRA vs bye
Tatiana GOLOVIN FRA vs Sesil KARATANTCHEVA BUL
Tamira PASZEK AUT vs Q
(8) Ana IVANOVIC SCG vs Shinobu ASAGOE JAP

(4) Patty SCHNYDER SUI vs bye
Iveta BENESOVA CZE vs Q
Conchita MARTINEZ ESP vs Marion BARTOLI FRA
(6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA SVK vs Klara KOUKALOVA CZE

(7) Jelena JANKOVIC SCG vs Vera DOUSHEVINA RUS
Sybille BAMMER AUT vs Virginie RAZZANO FRA
Q vs Q
(3) Nadja PETROVA RUS vs bye

(5) Jelena LIKHOVTSEVA RUS vs Ai SUGIYAMA JAP
Gisela DULKO ARG vs Lisa RAYMOND USA
Kveta PESCHKE CZE vs Vera ZVONAREVA RUS
(2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA RUS vs bye


2nd Round
(1) Amelie MAURESMO FRA vs Tatiana GOLOVIN FRA
Q vs (8) Ana IVANOVIC SCG
(4) Patty SCHNYDER SUI vs Iveta BENESOVA CZE
Conchita MARTINEZ ESP vs (6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA SVK

(7) Jelena JANKOVIC SCG vs Sybille BAMMER AUT
Q2 vs (3) Nadja PETROVA RUS
(5) Jelena LIKHOVTSEVA RUS vs Gisela DULKO ARG
Vera ZVONAREVA RUS vs (2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA RUS

Quarterfinals
Tatiana GOLOVIN FRA vs (8) Ana IVANOVIC SCG
(4) Patty SCHNYDER SUI vs (6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA SVK
Sybille BAMMER AUT vs (3) Nadja PETROVA RUS
(5) Jelena LIKHOVTSEVA RUS vs (2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA RUS

Semifinals
(8) Ana IVANOVIC SCG vs (6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA SVK
(3) Nadja PETROVA RUS vs (2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA RUS

Finals
(6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA SVK vs (2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA RUS

Winner
(2) Elena Dementieva RUS
 

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First Round

(1) Amelie MAURESMO FRA
Sesil KARATANTCHEVA BUL
Q
(8) Ana IVANOVIC SCG
(4) Patty SCHNYDER SUI
Iveta BENESOVA CZE
Marion BARTOLI FRA
(6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA SVK
(7) Jelena JANKOVIC SCG
Virginie RAZZANO FRA
Qualifier 2
(3) Nadja PETROVA RUS
(5) Jelena LIKHOVTSEVA RUS
Gisela DULKO ARG
Kveta PESCHKE CZE
(2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA RUS

Second Round

Sesil KARATANTCHEVA BUL
(8) Ana IVANOVIC SCG
(4) Patty SCHNYDER SUI
(6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA SVK
(7) Jelena JANKOVIC SCG
(3) Nadja PETROVA RUS
(5) Jelena LIKHOVTSEVA RUS
(2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA RUS

Quarterfinals

Sesil KARATANTCHEVA BUL
(6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA SVK
(3) Nadja PETROVA RUS
(2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA RUS

Semifinals

(6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA SVK
(2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA RUS

Finals

(2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA RUS
 

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(1) Amelie MAURESMO FRA over bye
Tatiana GOLOVIN FRA loses to Sesil KARATANTCHEVA BUL

Tamira PASZEK AUT loses to Q
(8) Ana IVANOVIC SCG over Shinobu ASAGOE JAP

(4) Patty SCHNYDER SUI over bye
Iveta BENESOVA CZE loses to Q

Conchita MARTINEZ ESP over Marion BARTOLI FRA
(6) Daniela HANTUCHOVA SVK over Klara KOUKALOVA CZE

(7) Jelena JANKOVIC SCG over Vera DOUSHEVINA RUS
Sybille BAMMER AUT over Virginie RAZZANO FRA

Q1 loses to Q2
(3) Nadja PETROVA RUS over bye

(5) Jelena LIKHOVTSEVA RUS over Ai SUGIYAMA JAP
Gisela DULKO ARG over Lisa RAYMOND USA

Kveta PESCHKE CZE over Vera ZVONAREVA RUS
(2) Jelena DEMENTIEVA RUS over bye

2nd round
Karatancheva over Mauresmo
Q over Ana Ivanovic
Schnyder over Q
Hantuchova over Martinez

Jankovic over Bammer
Q over Petrova
Likhovtseva over Dulko
Dementieva over Peschke

QF
Q over Karatantcheva
Hantuchova over Schnyder
Jankovic over Q
Dementieva over Likhovtseva

Sf
Hantuchova over Q
Dementieva over Jankovic

F
Hantuchova over Dementieva
 

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first round

(1) Amelie Mauresmo - bye
Tatiana Golovin d. Sesil Karatantcheva
(Q) qualifier d. Tamira Paszek
(8) Ana Ivanovic d. Shinobu Asagoe

(4) Patty Schnyder - bye
Iveta Benesova d. (Q) qualifier
Conchita Martinez d. Marion Bartoli
(6) Daniela Hantuchova d. Klara Koukalova

(7) Jelena Jankovic d. Vera Douchevina
Virginie Razzano d. Sybille Bammer
(Q) qualifier d. (Q) qualifier
(3) Nadia Petrova - bye

(5) Elena Likhovtseva d. Ai Sugiyama
Gisela Dulko d. Lisa Raymond
Kveta Peschke d. Vera Zvonareva
(2) Elena Dementieva - bye

second round

(1) Amelie Mauresmo d. Tatiana Golovin
(8) Ana Ivanovic d. (Q) qualifier

(4) Patty Schnyder d. Iveta Benesova
(6) Daniela Hantuchova d. Conchita Martinez

Virginie Razzano d. (7) Jelena Jankovic
(3) Nadia Petrova d. (Q) qualifier

(5) Elena Likhovtseva d. Gisela Dulko
(2) Elena Dementieva d. Kveta Peschke

quarterfinals

(8) Ana Ivanovic d. (1) Amelie Mauresmo

(4) Patty Schnyder d. (6) Daniela Hantuchova

(3) Nadia Petrova d. Virginie Razzano

(2) Elena Dementieva d. (5) Elena Likhovtseva

semifinals

(4) Patty Schnyder d. (8) Ana Ivanovic

(2) Elena Dementieva d. (3) Nadia Petrova

final

(4) Patty Schnyder d. (2) Elena Dementieva
 

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1st:
Mauresmo
Karatantcheva
Paszek
Ivanovic
Schnyder
Q
Martinez
Hantuchova
Jankovic
Razzano
Q1
Petrova
Sugiyama
Dulko
Peschke
Dementieva

2nd:
Karatantcheva
Ivanovic
Schnyder
Hantuchova
Jankovic
Petrova
Sugiyama
Dementieva

Quarterfinal:
Ivanovic
Hantuchova
Jankovic
Sugiyama

Semifinal:
Hantuchova
Jankovic

Winner:
Hantuchova
 

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At least i have Mauresmo losing her opening match!
 

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The placement of Golovin has done a huge favor to a lot of people.

If you had Golovin getting into the QF from her original spot in the draw, she was in "QF spot #1" at the top of the draw. Since her revised place is at the top of the draw, she could still make the QF in "QF spot #1" so those who had her going into the QF from her original place would still get the points.
 

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Let me elaborate.
In order not to have a mess and a possible total confusion.
Here is what you have to do.
Apply your original rule consistently.
We get credit for our original picks as they stand. We are not allowed to change things.
So any changes that happen are just tough luck.
To be consistent and avoid a possible mess you need to count winning players only in the original spot at picked. I get credit for my pick that Karantantcheva wins first round but I do not get credit for Karantancheva beating Golovin if she does in the new spot of the draw. The same should apply to new places that Golovin appears eg the win over bye should not count.
Otherwise you have a mess and my pick Karantancheva over Golovin should count.
Just do not count any of this is the consistent and equitable application of your own rule.
Giving credit to golovin picks in wrong spot on the draw sheet violates your original rule, and you have a mess on your hand.
 

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Zauber said:
Let me elaborate.
In order not to have a mess and a possible total confusion.
Here is what you have to do.
Apply your original rule consistently.
We get credit for our original picks as they stand. We are not allowed to change things.
So any changes that happen are just tough luck.
To be consistent and avoid a possible mess you need to count winning players only in the original spot at picked. I get credit for my pick that Karantantcheva wins first round but I do not get credit for Karantancheva beating Golovin if she does in the new spot of the draw. The same should apply to new places that Golovin appears eg the win over bye should not count.
Otherwise you have a mess and my pick Karantancheva over Golovin should count.
Just do not count any of this is the consistent and equitable application of your own rule.
Giving credit to golovin picks in wrong spot on the draw sheet violates your original rule, and you have a mess on your hand.
It is also not fair.

I think you misunderstood. I am essentially doing what you suggest, but your post is really hard to follow.

You get points for Karatantcheva winning her first round match, which she did.
No points are awarded for Golovin getting to the second round because she did not defeat anybody and had a bye.
But if Golovin now defeats Karatantcheva, those who had Golovin making the QF still get points because it is in the same spot in the draw sheet.

I think this is fair and in keeping with the rules.
 

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It is not in the same spot. It is reversed. It could have been a different player.
If Golovin had been moved. to another spot on the draw sheet eg Golovin versus Hantuchova. You would not give her credit for her winning against Hantuchova would you? this is the key point the answer should be no.
I assume You are not giving me credit if Karantancheva beats Golovin which is correct because it is in a different spot on the draw sheet.
The same is true for Golovin beating Karatancheva.
The only people who should get points for this match are the ones who originally picked Karatancheva over Mauresmo. that way you stuck to your original rule.
Intresting situation.
Thank you for responding
 

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If Golovin had been moved. to another spot on the draw sheet eg Golovin versus Hantuchova. You would not give her credit for her winning against Hantuchova would you? this is the key point the answer should be no.
That's right, that is why it is so lucky for people that Golovin was moved to this particular spot. If you were to take the draw and just look at the QF of the draw before the move and after the move there would be no change.
 

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Why change the rule because it was moved to a particular point ?
The same rule should apply no matter where it is moved.
You are still missing the point.
this is a second round pick. It is entirely different from our first round picks.
That is why you do not count it anywhere else.
luck should have nothing to do with application of rule.
otherwise my pick of Karantancheva beats Golovin should also apply under the heading of luck same players same pick.
that pick does not apply anymore. Picks from one do not apply in two. simple.
You are just mesmorized by the freakish situation that the same players match up in round two.
 

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Zauber said:
Why change the rule because it was moved to a particular point ?
The same rule should apply no matter where it is moved.
You are still missing the point.
this is a second round pick. It is entirely different from our first round picks.
That is why you do not count it anywhere else.
luck should have nothing to do with application of rule.
otherwise my pick of Karantancheva beats Golovin should also apply under the heading of luck same players same pick.
that pick does not apply anymore. Picks from one do not apply in two. simple.
You are just mesmorized by the freakish situation that the same players match up in round two.
I'm not changing any rule. The rule is that, to get points, you must have the correct player in the correct position in the draw. If Golovin loses to Karatantcheva, the point is moot, and those who had Karatantcheva is QF Spot #1 get points. But if Golovin wins, those who predicted her in QF Spot #1, get points. I don't understand what the problem is. I think this is pretty straightforward.
 

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Rankings after First Round......out of 300

1. QuickyMonster........250
1. rrfnpump.............250
1. Dexter_1986..........250
4. Bart.................225
4. mat87to.............225
4. silverwhite..........225
4. IheartLindsay........225
8. Elisse...............200
8. hotwine8.............200
8. Scorpioo.............200
8. tks..................200
8. KuzyIsNo1............200
13. Davenselesport......175
13. daniela86...........175
13. jrm.................175
13. TennisPlayingFox....175
13. Zauber..............175
13. adam_ads_n..........175
19. Elena D.............150
19. vwrules.............150
19. alwayshingis........150
19. LUXXXAS.............150
19. Tennace.............150
19. ma261988............150
19. Emiel Goelen........150
 
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