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Where is there equal pay besides majors? Cincy? Rogers Cup?
The WTA was making most of its money in China after US Open, and YEC
The WTA is not the same product as ATP, not close
 

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"The way folks race to defend men and tear down women on this bird app never ceases to depress."

Well, twatter is always like the cesspool of the internet, full of useless toxicity.

What depresses me more is the way folks race to defend men and tear down women on a certain forum dedicated to women's tennis.
 

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"The way folks race to defend men and tear down women on this bird app never ceases to depress."

Well, twatter is always like the cesspool of the internet, full of useless toxicity.

What depresses me more is the way folks race to defend men and tear down women on a certain forum dedicated to women's tennis.
It is called objectivity, bud. It's a fact that the ATP has been superior to the WTA in terms of star power over the past ten years. The WTA would have needed three Serenas to keep up with the star power that the ATP has been offering.
 

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The men's game generates more revenue than the women's game.....this is not in dispute. watching tourneys you will see full houses for even early rounds for the men......more than half empty stadiums for the women's matches. Tourneys even tried to to sandwich a women's match in between two popular men's matches in Madrid I believe it was, and the ladies match was poorly attended....while both men's matches were packed. There was a match in Rome where Sinner or Sonego was playing to a packed house, the following match on this court had an Italian player for a WTA match......ghost town.

The ladies have to look in the mirror for the blame to some extent......withdrawals, retirements, walkovers are much higher in the ladies game. High profile players not participating is a major problem....are you listening Naomi?.....until this is addressed, nothing will change. The fact that the ATP at Eastborne is a 250 and the WTA is a 500 is irrelevant. If more people want to watch he men, doesn't matter what the tourney level is.....the men's product overall is higher.
 

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It's a bad look but can't argue with facts men's game draws more attention than women's mainly thanks to greater consistency and the slam race. But wait until the BIG3 all retire and the interest in ATP will decrease dramatically.
 

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It's a bad look but can't argue with facts men's game draws more attention than women's mainly thanks to greater consistency and the slam race. But wait until the BIG3 all retire and the interest in ATP will decrease dramatically.
No. This narrative is very obsolete. For ten years people have been saying "wait until the big 3 retire, the ATP will sink and the WTA will thrive" and guess what? It is actually the young women who were supposed to stage the WTA's renaissance that retired (Barty) or became irrelevant part-time players (Osaka, Andreescu), while Nadal and Djokovic have continued to thrive, winning almost every major tournament and taking turns at a shot at the calendar Grand Slam in 2021 and 2022. Federer has also announced that he will return to the tour between the end of this year and the beginning of next year. So a big fat no to what you are saying. The big 3 are going nowhere and will still be around for a good while. And if or when the big 3 retire, Alcaraz will carry the torch along with a couple of other competitors that will emerge in the meantime. Everything is pointing towards a continuation of the ATP's golden age, while the WTA can't seem to find a way out of the dark age that followed the golden period between 2000 and 2015 with the Williams sisters, Henin, Clijsters, Sharapova etc.
 

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It is called objectivity, bud. It's a fact that the ATP has been superior to the WTA in terms of star power over the past ten years. The WTA would have needed three Serenas to keep up with the star power that the ATP has been offering.
hard to have 3 serenas when fans and pundits are constantly tearing her down

(immediately giving no responsibility to the male chair umpire who could have handled the situation better and blaming Serena entirely)
 

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No. This narrative is very obsolete. For ten years people have been saying "wait until the big 3 retire, the ATP will sink and the WTA will thrive" and guess what? It is actually the young women who were supposed to stage the WTA's renaissance that retired (Barty) or became irrelevant part-time players (Osaka, Andreescu), while Nadal and Djokovic have continued to thrive, winning almost every major tournament and taking turns at a shot at the calendar Grand Slam in 2021 and 2022. Federer has also announced that he will return to the tour between the end of this year and the beginning of next year. So a big fat no to what you are saying. The big 3 are going nowhere and will still be around for a good while. And if or when the big 3 retire, Alcaraz will carry the torch along with a couple of other competitors that will emerge in the meantime. Everything is pointing towards a continuation of the ATP's golden age, while the WTA can't seem to find a way out of the dark age that followed the golden period between 2000 and 2015 with the Williams sisters, Henin, Clijsters, Sharapova etc.
We don't know what will happen when the BIG3 retire. It's all speculations. It's been over 15 years since they are on stage but they can't last forever. Alcaraz is great but he alone will not carry the entire game, the other young players are either not exciting or don't have as much potential as the young Spaniard. The ATP would need at least one more ATG player to make that happen but the popularity will not be as high as during the BIG3 era because that was simply the Everest of the game.

As for women, you are right the likes of Osaka, Andreescu and Barty have been disappointing due their part-time playing/ retiring too early. But let's not write all of it off just yet. Maybe Andreescu will strike back and there's more potential star power and greatness in players like Raducanu and Gauff although it's not a given they'll live up to the hype.
 

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The men's game generates more revenue than the women's game.....this is not in dispute. watching tourneys you will see full houses for even early rounds for the men......more than half empty stadiums for the women's matches. Tourneys even tried to to sandwich a women's match in between two popular men's matches in Madrid I believe it was, and the ladies match was poorly attended....while both men's matches were packed. There was a match in Rome where Sinner or Sonego was playing to a packed house, the following match on this court had an Italian player for a WTA match......ghost town.

The ladies have to look in the mirror for the blame to some extent......withdrawals, retirements, walkovers are much higher in the ladies game. High profile players not participating is a major problem....are you listening Naomi?.....until this is addressed, nothing will change. The fact that the ATP at Eastborne is a 250 and the WTA is a 500 is irrelevant. If more people want to watch he men, doesn't matter what the tourney level is.....the men's product overall is higher.
I cannot agree more
I was this year in the semifinals of Rome in the combined event
Tsitsipas-Zverev, the stadium was fully packer
Swiatek-Sabalenka / Jabeur-Kasaktina, were maybe less than 50% of the attendance. Jabeur-Kasaktina was very entairtaining match, with match point saved, but attendance was embarassing

I cannot stand why people are claiming for the equal prize money. Based on what?
Money are generated based on the interest and pay back
If WTA players are not committed like men, Osaka plays part-time, a lot of injuries and withdrawal this is what will be the outcome
 

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The men's game generates more revenue than the women's game.....this is not in dispute. watching tourneys you will see full houses for even early rounds for the men......more than half empty stadiums for the women's matches. Tourneys even tried to to sandwich a women's match in between two popular men's matches in Madrid I believe it was, and the ladies match was poorly attended....while both men's matches were packed. There was a match in Rome where Sinner or Sonego was playing to a packed house, the following match on this court had an Italian player for a WTA match......ghost town.

The ladies have to look in the mirror for the blame to some extent......withdrawals, retirements, walkovers are much higher in the ladies game. High profile players not participating is a major problem....are you listening Naomi?.....until this is addressed, nothing will change. The fact that the ATP at Eastborne is a 250 and the WTA is a 500 is irrelevant. If more people want to watch he men, doesn't matter what the tourney level is.....the men's product overall is higher.
Yep. Women's tennis is less lucrative because of tournament withdrawals. It’s their fault. Hope someone gets on fixing this problem and sends the message to other women’s sports too. /s

Tbh this is why I found the equal pay debates kind of annoying. Men bitching and moaning that women shouldn’t make as much ignore the fact that overall THEY ALREADY DON’T. Male tennis players already receive more compensation generally as their events give bigger paydays. Let the Grand Slams be the place where this is not the case and stfu.
 

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Men's tennis is way way better then women's right now, the women's game is a total mess so I have no problem with the pay gap.

If you want to watch top class women's sport watch Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce and Elaine Thompson-Herah in women's sprinting and all the others behind them showing up, pushing themselves and competing hard. Way more interesting than the men's sprinters.
 
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