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Jelena Dokic has the most quality points outside TOP 10,
which tells you about how good she is..:)



Opponent Nat'l Wins Losses

1-9
Serena Williams USA 0-4
Kim Clijsters BEL 2-5
Venus Williams USA 1-3
Justine Henin-Hardenne BEL 1-1 (strange....:))
Lindsay Davenport USA 0-7
Jennifer Capriati USA 1-5
Amelie Mauresmo FRA 1-1
Chanda Rubin USA 1-2
Daniela Hantuchova SVK 0-3


11-20
Anastasia Myskina RUS 4 2
Monica Seles USA 1 4
Elena Dementieva RUS 5 2
Magdalena Maleeva BUL 1 0
Eleni Daniilidou GRE 1 1
Elena Bovina RUS 1 1
Ai Sugiyama JPN 1 1
Amanda Coetzer RSA 3 2
Meghann Shaughnessy USA 3 2
Patty Schnyder SUI 3 1

21-30
Anna Pistolesi ISR 3 1
Lisa Raymond USA 2 2
Nathalie Dechy FRA 3 0
Silvia Farina Elia ITA 2 1
Conchita Martinez ESP 5 5
Alexandra Stevenson USA 2 2
Clarisa Fernandez ARG 0 0
Vera Zvonareva RUS 0 0
Paola Suarez ARG 1 1
Elena Likhovtseva RUS 2 0

as you can see, Jelena has no negative record
against anyone outside TOP 10 except Monica,
against TOP 30 except TOP 10,
43-25 .632 winning record
w/o Monica
42-21 .666 winning record....

tell me this is bad? :)

i think the range of 8-12 is where she should be,
and no, she's not overrated.... :rolleyes:
 

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But then again you proved the other side of the coin... She has No positive record against a top 10...
 

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CamilleVidann said:
But then again you proved the other side of the coin... She has No positive record against a top 10...
but u've to remember that it's hard to find anyone
who has a positive record against TOP 5,
and it's rare to find one against post-01 AO Slam Jen
that's why i say 8-12 is where she belongs,
adding to the fact that she knows what tournaments
to play to keep her ranking up,
even though i have to admit that
she aint doing too well against any of the TOP 10 right now,
 

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How many times have you been banned, or changed names, niceman?? Is this like #5 or #6?? LoL ;)
 

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actually nobody has a winning record against the Top 5 cumulatively other than maybe Martina Hingis, but i think thats it
 

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Dokic always loses before she can meet the top 10. If she reaches quarters and semis more often, she will have a bigger negative htoh against the top 10.
 

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mmcdonald....

I believe Serena has a winning record Head to Head vs #2 through #5.

Actually I think this is true for the entire top ten. Not sure about Chandra, but she is at least even vs Chandra.

It could also be argured that in matches that she has lost in the last three years, that she beat herself more often than not.

So Serena has a winning record vs the top ten, including herself.
 

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Monica Seles vs Jelena Dokic

2000 Italian Open (Rome) Quarterfinal 6-1, 3-6, 6-3 Monica Seles
2000 Sydney Olympics Final for bronze 6-1, 6-4 Monica Seles
2001 Rogers AT&T Cup (Montreal) 3rd round 6-3,7-6(3) Monica Seles
2001 Brasil Open (Costa do Sauipe) Final 6-3,6-3 Monica Seles
2002 Open Gaz de France (Paris) Semifinal 6-3,3-6,6-4 Jelena Dokic

The 1st metting was pretty tight with Monica winning.
Dokic won the last meeting in another tough 3 setter. Thank God Monica won the Olympic meeting to take the Bronze!!!!!!! wwwhhhheeeewwww!

Seles leads 4-1

Just thought it would be a nice addition to throw in this thread.
Hope this doesn't offend any Dokic fans - atleast she won 1 of their meetings.
 

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VeNuS FoReVeR said:
How many times have you been banned, or changed names, niceman?? Is this like #5 or #6?? LoL ;)
let me count.....
there is fhkung....:)
then coolman..:)
then coolio1-6i think,
then The Coolman,
i think there is one more, i forgot,
so banned 10 times.....:D
 

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niceman said:
let me count.....
there is fhkung....:)
then coolman..:)
then coolio1-6i think,
then The Coolman,
i think there is one more, i forgot,
so banned 10 times.....:D
Niceman, why were you banned? I don't remember any big controversy.
 

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niceman said:
let me count.....
there is fhkung....:)
then coolman..:)
then coolio1-6i think,
then The Coolman,
i think there is one more, i forgot,
so banned 10 times.....:D
LOL!!!! It is a ridiculous game. I just got threatned myself for getting banned. Because a certain person edited my post and put words in my mouth that I didnt say, so I said I didnt appreciate that. And so I got a banning threat!
 

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niceman said:
let me count.....
there is fhkung....:)
then coolman..:)
then coolio1-6i think,
then The Coolman,
i think there is one more, i forgot,
so banned 10 times.....:D
LoL
 

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CamilleVidann said:
But then again you proved the other side of the coin... She has No positive record against a top 10...
exactly, she doesn't deserve to be 8, 9, or 10 right now, id throw her ass right in there between 15-20 b/c right now all she is doing, and all she has ever done is play a hell a tournies, get to the 3rd 4th round, loose, and just get those points. Hell anyone can do that, Martina Hingis did it, but she would consistenly loose in the Semis and Finals, so she ended up a solid loosing number 1 player in the world :)
 

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SerenaSlam said:
exactly, she doesn't deserve to be 8, 9, or 10 right now, id throw her ass right in there between 15-20 b/c right now all she is doing, and all she has ever done is play a hell a tournies, get to the 3rd 4th round, loose, and just get those points. Hell anyone can do that, Martina Hingis did it, but she would consistenly loose in the Semis and Finals, so she ended up a solid loosing number 1 player in the world :)
which means holding the seeding,
thatd was what Jelena did
in many of her tournaments in 01,
and partially in 02,
yes she is off sometimes,
but Clijster and Henin too could be as well,
but it doesnt mean she is not good enough to be TOP 10,
even if that's the bottom end

yes she does lose to some lower ranked players,
but u dont get .666 winning % by doing nothing,
she has negative record against any of the player outside TOP 10,
except for Monica Seles

remember TOP 10 ranking does represent
the whole tennis scene, not just on a single player

if u ask me, i say outside TOP 10,
only Monica is worthy of returning back to replace Jelena,
but she's only carrying 10 tournaments,
yes she is capable, but she is not there, what can u do about it,
and remember many say Daniela isnt worthy of TOP 10 now,
so her ranking is doomed to be dropping if she keeps up her bad form,
Myskina has a negative record against Dokic,
of course she deserves TOP 10 ranking "now",
and probably will be coz Myskina aint doing to good right now,

i'm not saying that she's like the best player in the world,
but she is certainly one of the better player
if u forget about all the TOP 7, OR top 8 players in the world,
which does make her a TOP 10
 
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