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Just a thought...

Maybe part of the reason that other players find it so difficult to beat them is because they don't get to play them often enough & so don't get used to their games. I think that the opposite is certainly true for Martina Hingis, the more she's played the more people have seen how to beat her, so the more she gets beaten. Whereas, with Venus and Serena because they're playing only a few tournaments, there's much less opportunity to work out a strategy against them.

Before I get criticised for this, I don't mean that this is the _only_ reason that they win matches. Doh! They're both fantastic tennis players. But I do think that this might be part of it, and that in a couple of years time we'll see other players working out how to beat them.
 

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I heard that the chinese people did or do that with their tabletennis players, they let them play only a few times and never let them train with people from abroad and that´s why nobody can beat them. But I don´t think that´s the case with Venus and Serena, Take by example Venus against Lindsay. I think the first 4 or 5 times they played Lindsay dominated her and then when Venus got more matchpracise she dominated. If it was that Lindsay didn´t know how to play her she would not have dominated at the start but she would now.
 

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SK, the same thoughts have been crossing my mind once in while.

In my opinion I think most of the players play alot thus they are burnt out. But on the other hand if you don't play enough (you don't have match practise) its difficult to get back in form in the first tourneys.

I will take examples on Anna K and Serena. When Anna came back from injury its was difficult for her to win a match then look at Serena, she had not played since the USO but she was just perfect with her match against Farina.

But then we'll have to see the Williams committed to playing a full schedule before concluding that. <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
 

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Serena's situation is totally different to Anna's. Firstly, she wasn't injured and could still practise; she may not have been match-tight, but she'd've been tennis-tight. Her game also enables her to deal with early-round opponents pretty handily, whether she's rusty or not. Anna's doesn't.

I think their small schedule is one factor in V&S's dominance (although Serena's not actually that dominant): players can't get used to their games (or at least the new level to which they've taken their games, esp. in V's case since Wimbledon 2000), and they remain fresher. However, I think - again, particularly with Venus - that they could probably match their dominance if they played more, especially on clay and indoors. Sure, Davenport might beat them a couple more times than she otherwise would, but overall I still think they'd have a dominating record. Well, Venus anyway. I'm not convinced about Serena.
 

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I agree with all, I think they'd lose more if they played more. If the likes of Steffi and Monica played like the Williams when they were #1 they would've been unbeatable for year in, year out. Play 10 tournaments, win 10 tournaments <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
 

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This argument breaks down if you "break down" their records by surface. Grass doesn't really count because there is no real grass court season. That leaves hard courts, clay, and indoors.

On hard courts the sisters win a lot, but then they play most events on the cement. In 1999 both sisters played indoors and on clay with mixed results. Since then they have played few events on the dirt or indoors, and neither have had great success. Playing less hasn't translated into a lot of victories on these two surfaces.

Bottom line: Venus may be the best player in the world, but has yet to prove she can win big titles on <br />clay or indoors. Serena may prove that you can just show up after weeks away and take Munich. Odds are against it though. Their "limited" schedule isn't the advantage some see it as.
 

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If "ifs and ands" were pots and pans, the whole world would be a kitchen! Wouldn't it? <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

In other words we will never know... In 1998 Venus won 3 titles with a 53-13 win-lose record, In 1999 , 6 titles with 61-13 , In 2000 she played less (was out for the first few months of the year)and still won 6 titles with a 41-4 W-L... Here we are in 2001 with her again winning 6 titles (guess it's her lucky number) with a 46-5 W-L record, so there goes that theory...

Serena on the otherhand has never played a full schedule , so I cannot tell how she will do if indeed she plays more...

[ November 02, 2001: Message edited by: Infiniti2001 ]</p>
 

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I don't think so. When you play more, u get more in form, and more into the rytyhm of the tournaments, when you're not playing, the thing you can do for get into rythym, is the trainning..... That is nothing compared in facing a Hingis, a Davenport, or Henin etc....<br />Maybe the Williams have the strategy for the exactly trainning, to face these players..... I don't know or maybe they are too good, that they win, even playing less than others... LOL <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <br />Actually I think the first option is right <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
 

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Williams sisters are masterful on one singles surface - American hardcourts ( not even generic hardcourts, cause RA is not their surface either ). Because they don't like other surfaces and play very little on them, they conserve more energy for hardcourts, and that also plays to their advantage.<br />Consider this, Serena played 9 events this year,<br />4 of 9 being Grand Slams - i.e. ITF events rather than WTA events. Meaning thath she played only 5 Tour events. Almost one per Slam.
 

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I agree with you sk!
 

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Please, Venus played a full schedule in 1998, and she won Rome- Clay- Tier I, she also was the runner-up in Rome 1999. How many top players now have won a Tier I clay event in the top 10 (and they paly a full schedule). She has made the quarters in all the French open she played except 1997 and this year. You guys are always talking like Venus never played a full schedule, last year she was out for 5 months and still managed to win 6 titles. This year is the ONLY year Venus did not play a full schedule when she could have. Get your facts straight. She also have managed to end her year in the top 3 for 3 years in a row!
 

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Another silly attempt to deminish the Williams' accomplishments. If anything Serena in particular would be aided by playing more, she'd be better able to identify and handle the nerves of winning if nothing else.
 

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They win they play defense like retrievers, but offense like Big Babes. And they know how to build points, instead of giving them away by hacking at the ball.
 

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What will be the next excuse for why players can't beat them? Oh I know, because they make so much money they pay off the umpires, line judges, and pay the fans to boo them so they can win in the face of controversy. This is a stupid question, because if they have an advantage by not playing that much than the other players do too. Your basically saying that other players don't get a good feel for them because they don't play them that much. On the other hand they don't get a good feel for other players, because they don't play them that much. I'm sorry I just don't buy that.

To tell you the truth Venus hadn't played Jennifer in a while before the Ericsson, and that was an advantage for both players because neither knew how the other would play, but Venus found a way, and learned from one match how to beat Jennifer. It's called adaptability. Venus had enough game plans to figure out how to beat Jennifer in that match at the Ericsson. Make her run, and work for every point. In the end Jennifer didn't have enough gas. At the USO Venus put so much pressure on Jennifer at the beginning of the match that she ran out of gas fast. Jennifer admitted that in her interview.

So my thought is that some players don't know how to adjust their game for a whole match to beat them. Maybe players do know how to beat them but can't keep it up. Or Venus and Serena figure out what they're doing and readjust themselves. In this game you have to have more than one game plan. It will allow you to get through tough matches or early matches when you haven't played that much. It has nothing to do with repetition.

Serena eventually figured out how to beat Jennifer, but it had more to do with Serena's game, and not Jennifer. However Martina hasn't figured out how to beat Jennifer. Go figure. Some players have the ability to adapt. Or some players take longer to find a game plan than others.
 

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And never mind the fact that Venus has won back to back Wimbledon titles. Serena has made it to the Qtrs. this year and Semi's last year, plus the Quarters this year at the French Open after not playing any warm up events on clay and retiring from her lone match on clay last year. And I won't mention Serena making it to the Qts of the AO and Venus the Semi's - after having not played in almost 3 months.

I think if they played more and stayed healthy, they would for certain dominate more on all surfaces.
 

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The main reason they donot have to play often and remain competitive is that they have each other to practice with. Yes all players have people they can hit with, but I believe their practice sessions are more like matches sometimes. That's how Venus probably hurt her wrists. If Serena plays more the whole WTA will be in trouble. This young lady has very little big match experience when compared to top players.

[ November 02, 2001: Message edited by: TSequoia01 ]

[ November 02, 2001: Message edited by: TSequoia01 ]</p>
 

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Too many random factors, guys.

But speculation is fun!

The funny thing is that we're so fixated on the Williams Sisters at the moment. I'm sure they aren't the only players who can come off a long layoff and do particularly well.

As for the other players not being able to beat them because of not enough hitting time against them, phooey, I think. God knows there's enough videotape on them! And they could get some speedy man to hit against them.

The only things I could think of that may give them advantages over the other girls is that 1) they might be even more motivated to win when they come out to play and 2) they're less likely to wear themselves out, say like what Meghann Shaughnessy did to herself this year.

Venus seems to be so focused that I don't think playing more would give her any more advantages other than to get her rank higher (but once you're top 4 it doesn't really matter). It might help Serena since the youngest Williams girl seems to have those nervous moments of error prone madness.
 

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Until they played a full schedule I will never believed that can really dominate the womens tennis as everyone is trying to imply. Williams are over rated specially Serena. I agree that lack of match is not their problem because they have each other to hit with. The edge that they have over other players is just their strentgh which you can get from resting and having more time for workout and for your self. If you play more the more tiring you you are.Your power is directly proportional to fatigue. They only have concentrations on big tournaments which put them in the headline.
 

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They only have concentrations on big tournaments which put them in the headline. <hr></blockquote>

So what's Venus's motivation for staying home this time?? <br />I wouldn't consider Acura and Pilot Pen which she has won 3 times each big tournaments , yet she plays them every year...

You know something?? At first I couldn't understand this Williams fixation , but you know what??? I am actually enjoying it more and more now... heehee.
 

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I cannot wait until 2002. I truly believe that Venus has her sights on the Aussie. I feel she has something to prove there. Serena will be dangerous there as well. At the French look for Serena to exert herself. Are the Sisters overrated? Depends on what you are talking about. Can they defeat every other WTA tennis player consistently? Yes. Can they defeat them one after another? Yes. Is there any other current players that can duplicate what they can do? No. Is this domination? Not yet. Are they dominating? Yes.
 
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