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Here's a rough translation of the article published in "Le Soir" newspaper, the reference Belgian French-speaking newspaper.
As it is quite long, I probably made a lot of translation errors, so please in case of doubt, refer to the French version at the bottom.

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In its thursday edition, the newspaper "De Morgen" published on cover a "right of answer" from Lei Clijsters, Kim's father, in which Lei declares that he never said anything concerning dopage toward Justine Henin-Hardenne. Nothing surprising till there. But this "right of answer" was accompanied with an article signed Peter Goris, Sports' service chief, which sounds like a severe accusation against the father of the limburger.

Goris quotes a phone conversation he had with Lei on August 25, and writes: You have told me that, in the future, "De Morgen" would have no more interviews from Kim or people around her, because of your anger about one of our precedent editorials. You have added that "you had never read that rumours of positive controls were around about Justine Henin at Roland Garros, and that these had been hidden. " And Peter Gorris to attack Lei again: "Yesterday, you have contradicted yourself: "I only said that I heard that Els Callens had heard someone say that Justine had been controlled positive at Roland Garros".

Contacted by us [Le Soir Newspaper], Lei Clijsters is angry with the way this story goes. The evocation of the name of the newspaper makes him go out of himself. I never said anything like that, and anyway I'm not talking anymore to "De Morgen" 's journalists since 3 weeks, he explains. That's why they are angry about me! I don't want to react about dishonest journalists trying to make puplicity to sell their little newspaper! The father of the champion (who is in Australia in this moment) explains then that he will have a discussion with her daughter when she comes back in Belgium about measures she should take toward medias. Some of them will never again be accepted at a press conference with Kim in the future, he says.

In the side of "De Morgen", they say that they have reacted to defend the honour of the newspaper. Leo cannot go on treating us of liars whereas he lies himself, Peter Goris declares. Carlos Rodriguez, Henin's coach, has of course heard too about this doping rumour at Roland Garros. But, he adds, he wants things not to go farther. Lei and I, we had a discussion by phone for an hour. We have closed the discussion but I don't want to detail the contents of the conversation. All I want to say is that we didn't insult each other and left each other in good terms. Now I say "basta!" This story has to finish for the sake of Belgian tennis. Carlos Rodriguez explained again that Larry Scott, WTA president, had personnally calld Henin to talk about his agitation on this. He found this story scandalous, and promised us all the necessary support from the WTA, Rodriguez says.

The WTA has of course been contacted by Octagon, which manages the interests of Henin and could have been tempted by bringing the case to law courts. It's not at the agenda, Micky Lawler says from Washington. We called Larry Scott personnally to discuss the opportunity of making a press release. After reflexion, we have decided that these allegations were so ridiculous that they didn't deserve any reaction. There's no one more away from dopage that Justine. We can't punish her simply because she works hard to do it. It's really regrettable!

At the WTA, they define the anti doping program as "aggressive": In 2002, 438 controls were done on the players ( 990 for the men): 432 during tournaments and 6 out of the tournaments (contrarily to what people might think, tests can be done at the home of the players). A total of 179 players have been tested. In the program of the anti doping fight in tennis made by the ITF, WTA and ATP, we can read that the top 10 ha sbeen tested an average of 5.4 times a year. The player most tested was tested 9 times. Justine Henin's tests made till July 14 2003, including the ones at Roland Garros and Wimbledon, were negatives.

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Le « Morgen » accuse le père de Kim
11 septembre 2003 - Paolo Leonardi

Alors que tous les contrôles effectués sur le circuit féminin jusqu'au 14 juillet sont négatifs, le quotidien flamand "De Morgen" publie un droit de réponse de Leo Clijsters. Et accuse.


Dans son édition de jeudi, le quotidien « De Morgen » a publié à sa « une » un droit de réponse de Leo Clijsters, le père de Kim, dans lequel celui-ci déclare, en substance, qu'il n'a jamais tenu d'insinuations parlant de dopage à l'encontre de Justine Henin. Rien de très surprenant jusque-là. Mais là où l'affaire se corse, c'est que ce même droit de réponse était accompagné d'un article signé par Peter Goris, le chef du service sportif, qui sonne comme une accusation grave à l'encontre du père de la Limbourgeoise.

Goris cite ainsi une conversation téléphonique qu'il a eue avec Leo le 25 août et écrit notamment : Vous m'avez déclaré qu'à l'avenir, le « Morgen » n'aurait plus aucune interview ni de Kim, ni de son entourage en raison de votre colère suite à un de nos précédents éditoriaux. Vous avez ajouté « que vous n'aviez jamais lu que des rumeurs de contrôle positif circulaient au sujet de Justine Henin à Roland Garros, et que celles-ci avaient été cachées. » Et Peter Goris d'enfoncer encore un peu plus le clou : Hier, vous avez démenti : « J'ai seulement dit que j'avais entendu qu'Els Callens avait entendu dire que Justine avait été contrôlée positive à Roland Garros ».

Contacté par nos soins, Leo Clijsters est visiblement énervé par la tournure que prend cette histoire. La seule évocation du nom du journal qui le met en cause le fait sortir de ses gonds. Je n'ai jamais tenu de pareils propos et d'ailleurs, cela fait trois semaines que je ne parle plus avec ses journalistes, explique-t-il. C'est pourquoi ils m'en veulent ! Je ne veux pas réagir au sujet de journalistes malhonnêtes qui cherchent à se faire de la publicité pour vendre leur petit journal ! Le père de la championne (qui est en Australie en ce moment) expose ensuite qu'il aura une discussion avec sa fille lorsqu'elle rentrera en Belgique au sujet des mesures à prendre à l'égard des médias. Certains d'entre eux ne seront plus jamais acceptés à une conférence de presse de Kim à l'avenir, dit-il en substance.

Du côté du « Morgen », on affirme avoir réagi pour défendre l'honneur du journal. Leo ne peut continuer à nous traiter de menteurs alors qu'il ment lui-même, déclare en substance Peter Goris. Carlos Rodriguez, l'entraîneur de Henin, a bien sûr lui aussi entendu parler de cette rumeur de dopage à Roland Garros. Mais, ajoute-t-il, il souhaite à présent que les choses n'aillent pas plus loin. Leo et moi, nous nous sommes expliqués par téléphone pendant une heure. Nous avons mis les choses au point mais je ne souhaite pas détailler le contenu de notre conversation. Tout ce que je veux dire c'est que nous ne nous sommes pas insultés et que nous nous sommes même quittés en bons termes. Maintenant, je dis basta ! Il faut que toute cette histoire s'arrange pour le bien du tennis belge. Carlos Rodriguez a encore expliqué que Larry Scott, le président de la WTA, avait personnellement téléphoné à Henin pour lui faire part de son émoi. Il a trouvé cette histoire scandaleuse et nous a assurés de tout le soutien nécessaire de la WTA, poursuit le Belgo-Argentin.

L'instance qui régit le tennis féminin a bien sûr été contactée par la société de management Octagon qui gère les intérêts de Henin et qui aurait pu être tentée de porter l'affaire devant les tribunaux. Ce n'est pas à l'ordre du jour, expose depuis Washington Micky Lawler. Nous avons téléphoné à Larry Scott en personne pour discuter de l'opportunité de faire un communiqué de presse. Après mûre réflexion, nous avons décidé que ces allégations étaient tellement ridicules qu'elles ne méritaient aucune réaction. Il n'y a pas une personne plus éloignée du dopage que Justine. On ne peut pas la punir simplement parce qu'elle travaille beaucoup pour y arriver. C'est vraiment regrettable !

Du côté de la WTA, on définit le programme antidopage comme « agressif ». En 2002, 438 contrôles ont ainsi été effectués sur les joueuses (pour 990 chez les hommes), dont 432 durant les tournois et 6 hors tournois (contrairement à une idée reçue, des tests peuvent également être menés au domicile des joueuses). Au total, ce sont 179 joueuses qui ont ainsi été contrôlées. Dans le programme de lutte antidopage dans le tennis établi conjointement par la FIT, la WTA et l'ATP Tour, on peut aussi lire que les dix premières joueuses mondiales (une catégorie à laquelle appartenaient déjà Henin et Clijsters) ont été testées en moyenne 5,4 fois sur l'année. Quant à la joueuse la plus souvent testée, elle l'a été à 9 reprises. Devant l'importance des accusations qui sont portées contre Justine Henin, on nous a aussi révélé que tous les tests effectués jusqu'au 14 juillet 2003, en ce compris ceux effectués à Roland Garros et à Wimbledon (où Justine a été, les deux fois, testée), se sont révélés négatifs.

Même si nous voulons avant tout conserver la notion de surprise (NDLR : c'est d'ailleurs pourquoi les joueuses contrôlées sont choisies par tirage au sort et non de manière systématique en fonction de leur évolution dans le tableau), je peux également vous signaler que toutes les vainqueurs en Grand Chelem de cette année ont été testées, explique Tandy O'Donoghue, la conseillère juridique en chef de la WTA.
 

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if kim really always plays tennis for fun as she always says then she might really say within a year bye, bye

can't even blame her :rolleyes:
 

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"I only said that I heard that Els Callens had heard someone say that Justine had been controlled positive at Roland Garros".

and I thought it was only about her muscles, this goes really far :eek:
 

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i hope kim is quiet and stays away from these stupid and dull discussions.
what can she do if her father talks too much???
i hope their friendship won't be broken by it.it's a pity.they r such good players and nice girls.
why can't belgium live this period of glory in peace???
 

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All this bullshit is going to damage Kim much more than Justine. Now she has to face the facts that people around her are only interested in winnings and to be 2nd best is equal to catastrophe...
 

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that's why i wrote i hope she can stay quiet...
 

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Funnny how for all the major things Lei is saying the backlash isn´t even that great compared to what Richard had to go through.
 

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maybe kim will dumb them too just like jelena did (not that it helped for her tennis till now but still)
 

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pls don't compare kim to jelena...
i'm afraid just to hear these two name together...
 

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irma said:
maybe kim will dumb them too just like jelena did (not that it helped for her tennis till now but still)
do u know what?jelena did dumb them but her game too...:crying2:
 

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bandabou said:
Funnny how for all the major things Lei is saying the backlash isn´t even that great compared to what Richard had to go through.
Maybe it's because Clijsters' dad's comments pale in comparison.
 

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maryjane said:
do u know what?jelena did dumb them but her game too...:crying2:
that's true. it's maybe not fair to compare him with damir anyway. I don't think he is a right-winged fascist :eek:
 

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richard was totally full of himself and most of his predictions came true

it can't get more annoying than that :p (j/k I like richard)
 

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Kart said:
Maybe it's because Clijsters' dad's comments pale in comparison.

Pluuuuzzzz! I don´t recall Richard ever acusing an opponent from taking doping! All the things Richard was saying were all about his daughters....in the end they proved him right anyway.

Don´t know if Lei is right this or any time though.
 

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bandabou said:
Pluuuuzzzz! I don´t recall Richard ever acusing an opponent from taking doping! All the things Richard was saying were all about his daughters....in the end they proved him right anyway.

Don´t know if Lei is right this or any time though.
Richard Williams has had numerous outrageous comments about players other than his daughters quoted which overshadow a few misinterpreted comments from Clijsters' father.

However, I'm not going to be drawn into that argument again - I learned my lesson on the Sanex board :angel:.

Comparisons are somewhat premature IMHO. Still, I suppose both have ended up having their daughters in uncomfortable situations though.

I currently credit Richard Williams for his recent (relative) silence - perhaps a reflection of a lesson learned - in fact I find him quite likeable now :eek:.
 

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Kart said:
Richard Williams has had numerous outrageous comments about players other than his daughters quoted which overshadow a few misinterpreted comments from Clijsters' father.

However, I'm not going to be drawn into that argument again - I learned my lesson on the Sanex board :angel:.

Comparisons are somewhat premature IMHO. Still, I suppose both have ended up having their daughters in uncomfortable situations though.

I currently credit Richard Williams for his recent (relative) silence - perhaps a reflection of a lesson learned - in fact I find him quite likeable now :eek:.
The difference is that at least his daughters were beating people..but you´re right thank God he´s more quiet now.

Only Lei has to follow. Lei had to know that when he says things like:" I´ve never seen someone grow so much in six months." and stuff is asking for trouble. Specially when you already denigrated the player in question´s other slam victory over your daughter, by saying that your daughter´s masters title was bigger than a slam! Pluuuzzz!
 

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Pale in comparison to what? Are you serious? This is probably the worse thing anyone could say about a player, especially after they've won a GS title. This is an allegation of drug use. Had Richard Williams said his, it would be all over the papers, and this board would be lit up. Richard Williams has said a lot of things, but he has never accused any player of doping.
 

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mates let the silly polemics to kim's father and juju's coach.
let us enjoy kim and juju tennis,pls.
 

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Freewoman33 said:
Pale in comparison to what? Are you serious? This is probably the worse thing anyone could say about a player, especially after they've won a GS title. This is an allegation of drug use. Had Richard Williams said his, it would be all over the papers, and this board would be lit up. Richard Williams has said a lot of things, but he has never accused any player of doping.
Word! Richard has said many things,but never about a player taking doping. Can you imagine that?! Neither Serena nor Venus would have been able to walk on the streets anymore!
 
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