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I see that in the open era, Margaret Court won 6 consecutive Grandslams that she entered. Billie Jean King and Steffi Graf won 5 consecutive grandslams that they entered and Martina Navratilova won 4 in the row.
 

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Martina Nav - 6 in a row

In order - WB '83, US '83, OZ '83 (Dec), RG '84, WB '84, US '84

Incidentally, this was the 'Grand Slam that was not a Grand Slam'.<br />The ITF had a million dollar bonus for any player who won the Grand Slam.<br />There was some question of whether or not they would pay Martina.<br />she won four GS titles in a row, but not in the same calendar year.

They did pay here the million, so we know technically it counts.<br />But the matter has been much debated.<br />There were two 'Grand SLams' in the open era that were not in calendar years.<br />The other was Steffi (RG '93, WB '93, US '93, OZ '94 (Jan))
 

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Interesting!

Volcana where do you get all you info from its just amazing how much tennis knoledge you have!
 

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According to slams entered, Steffi also has 6 consecutive: RG '95, WB '95, US '95, RG '96, WB '96, US '96.
 

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Mo Connolly won 9 consecutive slams entered,and 6 consecutive without missing a slam. Helen Wills has the record for most consecutive slams without a defeat-from 1927 to 1933 she was unbeaten in about 14 grand slams. Helen never played Australia, a minor event at the time. Until the idea of grand slam came about in 1936, there was only a "big 3".
 

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Players that have won 3 or more consecutive grand slams and only counting their longest runs.

6 - Navratilova; Connolly; Court<br />5 - Graf<br />3 - Seles; Evert; Hingis; Wills; King

Well there's 8 who are the greatest grand slam winners of all time, but what the heck is Martina Hingis doing there? <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
 

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When you say "consecutive Grand Slams", it means just that. If you miss a Slam, you've got to start all over again to meet the "consecutive" requirement.

In 1981, Phillipe Chatrier, President of the ITF, declared that winning four Grand Slams in a row (irrespective of whether it was accomplished in a calendar-year or not) was the equivalent of winning the Grand Slam; and the ITF would award the winner a $1 million bonus. When Martina won her fourth Slam in a row at the 1984 French Open, there was no doubt about whether she'd get the $1 million or not. The ITF had already made that public knowledge. As the supreme authority of tennis, obviously, the ITF's rule definitely counts and Martina is rightly recognized as a Grand Slammer as well. Except for the haters, of course.
 

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Monica_Rules -

tenniscorner.net<br />sanexwta.com<br />itftennis.com<br />espn.com<br />cnnsi.com

Various biographies

And being old. I guess I've played tennis, and been a fan of the women's tennis, for about 30 years.
 

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Exactly, Rollo!<br /> <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Tha haters are EVERYBODY, in this case, 'cos NOBODY, neither officially nor unoficially recognizes a noncalendar Slam as a Slam (as it should go without saying), even the very same ITF, which has nothing like that quoted in its yearbook.

Go to ITF yearbook, pg.129 and you'll read...."Grand Slam (winning all four Championships in the same calendar year)<br />Follows the list of winners in the open era : Laver, Court, Graf. <br />No Navratilova.<br />Haters, sure.

More haters: ALL tennis books, ALL tennis writers, ALL critics, ALL.

To fanatics, obviously, everybody who denies the absolute perfection of their idol is an infidel, isn't it, Zummi?<br /> <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Martina Navratilova, the most elegant player ever, the best serve and volley player ever, the greatest doubles player ever has NEVER achieved a Grand Slam.
 

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I think someone who calls Graf's 1993-1994 year the "Grand Stab" is the hater. Not only that, it devalues all the other women on the tour that without Monica, Steffi had no one who was capable of beating her at a major, which is entirely false. Factually speaking, winning the calendar Grand Slam is statistically more difficult. A lot of "chance" rides on it. You have a bad day at the first Slam of the year, forget it until next year. You can't "choose" when the Slam begins. Martina's non-calendar, 6-straight slams record is awesome and in many ways better than a calendar Grand Slam, but most "experts" don't record that as a Grand Slam; it does not make them haters. If so, why isn't Steffi's 93-94 also recorded as a Grand Slam? Why didn't Margaret Court complete her Slam at Wimbledon '70? She'd won the three previous ones. The fact the ITF made the rule change for the bonus doesn't affect what most see as a Grand Slam. Martina got her $1 million, why is there a continuing controversy?
 

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Personally, I think the term "Grand Stab" is very appropriate.

Anyhow, in recent years, without missing any that were held:

Navratilova:6<br />Graf:5<br />Seles:3<br />Hingis:3

<br />In terms of only ones that the player entered:

Navratilova: Unsure, probably still 6<br />Graf:6<br />Seles:5<br />Hingis:3
 

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Incidentally, Zummi, though I agree with the intention of your post it is not 100% accurate.

The ITF is not the supreme authority of tennis, many legit organizations do not answer to it. However, the ITF IS the supreme authority of Grand Slam events, and that is after all what we are talking about here.
 

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The reason why the Grand Stab is not recognized as a second Slam for Graf is b/c the ITF did not recognize it as so. By then, they had already reverted back to the "only calendar year" rule.

But when Martina won her fourth straight Slam, the ITF very publicly recognized it and awarded her the $1 million bonus. Now, they're trying to disqualify it and say it doesn't count. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. You make the rule, you play by the rules. Rules change all the time. Just like the ranking system. No one is going back and changing the weeks at #1 records for former #1s to fit with today's ranking system. What's in the past is past.

Thankfully, the Guiness Book of World Records rightfully recognizes Martina's Slam. And Martina, in her own words, has said she doesn't care anymore. When she was asked about it at the 1988 U.S. Open, and said that she also considered herself as having won the Grand Slam, she was slandered and attacked for "whining" and "sour grapes". So she's learned to just keep her mouth shut and let someone try to break her six consecutive Slams, 45-straight-matches mark. So far, no one has....
 

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That's what I meant, disposeablehero! I meant to say "Grand Slams" and not "tennis". Heaven forbid there could be any such thing as a "supreme authority" of tennis. Thanks for pointing it out.
 

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DH, you are the typical man, abandoning me when I need you the most! <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> You yourself posted a statistical study earlier on the Sanex board that you did about how it was something like 21% or so harder to win the calendar slam rather than the non-calendar year slam based on no choice on when it starts! No one has answered my question as to why Margaret Court did not complete her Slam at the '70 Wimbledon!
 

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I'm not sure I ever posted an exact number, Celeste, however I do remember clearly refuting Shadowjacks assertion that a Calendar Slam was 4 times harder. Truthfully, it is not much harder to win a non-calendar Slam, and 21% sounds about right.
 

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I have a tennisbook about the 6 grand slam champions and all have there own chapter in it including Nav. So at least there are more tennisbooks who reconize it.
 

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In 1998 no one really said Martina H was chasing the Grand Slam when she was playing at the French Open (even though she's won the past 3 slams). Whereas at this year's Wimbledon there was so much talk about the Grand Slam with Jennifer Capriati.

I think what Martina N achieved (that is 6 consecutive grand slams) is a great achievement, but I just can't recognise it as The Grand Slam because it wasn't in the same year.
 
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