[FERLKE]

Hi!
For quite some time it has been discussed how players should be ranked according to what they have achieved in their careers. Some people claim that winning a slam is the only thing that matters. Although I do agree that slams are extremely important, I also believe that other aspects should be taken into account.
This is the criteria I have used to create the ranking.

Slam Win...................2000 p.
Olympic Gold...........750 p.
Year-End N1........... 750 p.
YEC Winner...............650 p.
Slam Final.................600 p.
Tier I ..........................400 p.
Year-End top 5.......350 p.
Olympic Silver........250 p.
Year-End top 10.....200 p.
Olympic Bronze.....150 p.
Slam SF.....................150 p.
Tier II.........................100 p.
Tier III/IV/V .............. .50 p.
Year-End top 20........50 p.

I considered the Tournament of Champions and the Grand Slam Cup as TIER II and TIER I respectively.
I didn't take into account the Fed Cup and top ten wins.

Here's the ranking! I'll update the ranking after each slam.

1- Graf...................76850
2- S. Williams........75450
3- Seles.................34400
4- V. Williams........32100
5- Henin................29400
6- Hingis................28750
7- Sharapova........25600
8- Davenport.........24050
9- Sanchez V.........22200
10- Clijsters...........20850

11- Sabatini...........15750
12- Halep..............13200
13- Azarenka.........13000
14- C. Martinez.....12400
15- Kvitova............12350
16- Mauresmo.......12300
17- Wozniacki.......11800
18- Capriati...........11600
19- Pierce.............11300
20- Kerber.............10200

21- Novotna...........9850
22- Kuznetsova......9200
23- Osaka..............7600
24- Li Na.........-......7450
24- Dementieva.....7300
25- Muguruza........7250
27- A. Radwanska..7150
28- Ivanovic...........6950
29- Jankovic..........6150
30- Sukova............6000

31- Safina..............5650
32- MJ Fernandez..5400
33- Man. Maleeva..5150
34- Garrison...........4350
35- Barty.................4300
36- Majoli...............4250
36- Stosur...............4250
38- Myskina............4000
38- Ka. Pliskova.....4000
40- Svitolina...........4000

41- Schiavone........3950
42- Bartoli...............3900
43- Stephens..........3700
44- Zvonareva........3700
45- Pennetta...........3450
46- Andreescu........3150
47- Petrova.............3050
48- A. Huber...........3000
49- Kenin................2850
50- Cibulkova.........2500

51- Ostapenko........2450
52- Tauziat..............2400
52- Keys.................2250
54- Coetzer.............2100
55- Swiatek.............2000
56- Bertens.............1900
56- Date.................1900
56- Errani...............1900
59- Hantuchova.....1800
59- Mag. Maleeva..1800

61- Schnyder..........1750
62- Zvereva............1700
63- Dokic................1650
64- Sabalenka........1550
65- Konta................1500
66- Safarova...........1450
67- Bencic..............1400
68- Vinci.................1350
69- Chakvetadze....1300
69- C. Garcia..........1300

71- McNeil..............1200
72- Bouchard..........1150
73- Lisicki................1100
74- Halard...............1050
74- Rubin................1050
76- K. Maleeva.......1000
77- Vaidisova............900
78- Molik...................850
78- Petkovic..............850
78- Spirlea................850

81- Goerges..............800
81- Pavlyuchenkova..800
81- Puig....................800
81- Vesnina...............800
85- Frazier.................750
85- Sugiyama............750
87- Cecchini..............700
87- Smashnova.........700
87- Vondrousova.......700
90- Rezai...................650
90- Suarez Navarro...650

92- Bacsinszky..........600
92- Makarova............600
92- MJ Martinez........600
92- Vandeweghe.......600
96- Mertens...............550
96- Schultz................550
98- Kirilenko..............500
98- J. Zheng..............500
100- Appelmans..........450
100- Kournikova..........450
100- Lucic...................450
100- Sevastova..........450
100- P. Suarez............450
100- Testud.................450
100- Wickmayer..........450

107- Cornet...............400
107- Kasatkina.........400
107- Likhovtseva......400
107- Paulus..............400
107- Peer..................400
107- Rybarikova.......400
107- Shaughnessy....400
107- Wiesnert...........400
107- Zuluaga............400

116- Farina Elia........350
116- Kanepi..............350
116- McGrath...........350
116- Meshki.............350
116- Monami............350
116- Schett..............350
116- Szavay.............350

123- Dechy..............300
123- Dragomir..........300
123- Hack................300
123- S. Peng...........300
123- Raymond.........300
123- Strycova..........300
129- Barthel.............250
129- Bovina..............250
129- G. Fernandez...250
129- Flipkens............250
129- Pironkova.........250
129- Sawamatsu......250
129- Srebotnik..........250

136- Anisimova.........200
136- Brady................200
136- Dulgheru...........200
136- Golovin.............200
136- Paszek..............200
136- Stevenson.........200
136- Tulyaganova.....200

143- A. Bondarenko..150
143- D.R. Collins.......150
143- C. Fernandez....150
143- Mladenovic........150
143- Porwik...............150
143- Razzano............150
143- Riske.................150
143- Siegemund........150
143- Vekic..................150
143- Q. Wang.......,....150
143- Werdel...........,...150

154- Buzarnescu.......100
154- Gavrilova..........100
154- Groenefeld........100
154- Habsudova........100
154- Martic................100
154- Wozniak............100
154- S.S. Zheng........100

161- Gorrochategui.....50
161- Sprem.................50

Thoughts?

 

[Marisasv]

Re: Career Single Ranking

It looks great to me. My contribution:

Conchita Martinez: 11.150 points

2000 Wimbledon title

600 x 2 Australian Open + RG final

400 x 9 Tier I

350 x 5 YE Top5

200 x 4 YE Top10

100 x 9 Tier II

50 x 14 Tier III/IV/V

50 x 4 YE Top20

It's a shame that the Fed Cup does not count, Conchita won 5 titles plus 5 finals.

 

[Matmagix]

Re: Career Single Ranking

you can compare to mckyle.'s active singles list (and maybe apply similar algorithm for the retired)

http://www.tennisforum.com/12-gener...est-active-singles-players-list-page-1-a.html

https://orig00.deviantart.net/1125/f/2017/325/e/9/main_file_by_michaelht-dbugske.png

 

[arasmas]

Re: Career Single Ranking

i'm wondering how evert, navratilova, and graf points will come out. my guess is that their points will be up there with serena if not surpasses serena in points wise.

 

[vswfan]

Re: Career Single Ranking

Actually the Grand Slam Cup featured top 8 performers in GS tournaments of the year. The field was better or at least equal with WTA's YEC. To count it as a Tier II title is not right IMO. It's way more prestigious than Zhuhai Elite Trophy or Bali TOC

 

[Navratil]

Re: Career Single Ranking

Very interesting

When does the list start? 2000?

 

[FERLKE]

Re: Career Single Ranking

Very interesting

When does the list start? 2000?

I will include all the players that compete in 90' for sure but I'm not so sure to consider the players who competed earlier; I mean there were only two TIER I in 1988 and top players couldn´t compete in the Olympics before that year too...

I will update the list with Davenport, Pierce, Capriati and Majoli very soon =)

 

[FERLKE]

Re: Career Single Ranking

It's a shame that the Fed Cup does not count, Conchita won 5 titles plus 5 finals.

The thing is that Fed Cup has changed the format several times. In the past, the event lasted just a week. Nowadays, some players comepte in some series but not in all series. Besides, it is a team competition .

 

[FERLKE]

Re: Career Single Ranking

Actually the Grand Slam Cup featured top 8 performers in GS tournaments of the year. The field was better or at least equal with WTA's YEC. To count it as a Tier II title is not right IMO. It's way more prestigious than Zhuhai Elite Trophy or Bali TOC

I may change that but the thing is that it was a very small draw. I don't think it was as prestigious as the YEC.
Should I consider it as a TIER I?

 

[crazillo]

Re: Career Single Ranking

Nice approach! will think about it. Wondering why Molik is in your list and many other players are not though? How far will you go back? Who will you include? All former top 20 players?
Why does a slam final count, but not a slam SF or a Tier I final. You have to consider these things.
I do think Fed Cup should be included though.

 

[sebbe]

Re: Career Single Ranking

Pierce should be up between 10-12 000 points.

I have no idea though what tier some of the old tournaments she won had.

 

[Pavliukin]

Re: Career Single Ranking

Does Mug not slip into the top 20 or have I missed something?

 

[FERLKE]

Re: Career Single Ranking

Nice approach! will think about it. Wondering why Molik is in your list and many other players are not though? How far will you go back? Who will you include? All former top 20 players?
Why does a slam final count, but not a slam SF or a Tier I final. You have to consider these things.
I do think Fed Cup should be included though.

I will include every player who has reached a slam SF, finished in top 20 or won an Olympic medal at least.
I believe that a slam final is far more valuable than a TIER I final. Most people remember slam finalist as some of them are great players who could not win a major such as Jankovic, Dementieva, Safina and so on... Honestly, I think people tend to forget who won TIER I events let alone finals. For this reason, reaching a slam final is more important than winning a TIER I according to this ranking...

 

[FERLKE]

Re: Career Single Ranking

Does Mug not slip into the top 20 or have I missed something?

I think is pointless to rank successful young players just yet. Garbine, Sloane, Ostapenko, Keys, Bouchard and Svitolina have most of their career ahead, so it would be unfair to rank them now.

 

[shap_half]

Re: Career Single Ranking

Shocked to see how many more points Sharapova has over Clijsters. (I'm a firm believer that Kim is not only the better player but the greater player between the two, and this has nothing to do with meldonium.) I sometimes forget just how much Maria's achieved, and just how short Kim's career actually was and how little the French and Wimbledon factored into here career.

 

[Matt-TennisFan24]

Re: Career Single Ranking

I like this a lot, but I feel like two aspects should be corrected:

First, some important achievements are excluded, namely, GS SFs (worth only 120 pts less than a P5, or equivalent to a Premier+Intl) and QFs (equivalent almost to a Premier title). This is necessary because otherwise the ranking would be benefiting "vultures" or players who win small titles, rather than those who make deep slam runs. The same goes for a YEC final, which can be worth a PM in points if you win all the matches at the RR stage.

It's true that for some if you don't win the title then it doesn't *really* matter for a "GOAT" ranking who got to the last stages of the tournament... and I might agree to that. But if we're considering small titles and even YE top 20 rankings, then the achievements I mentioned above NEED to be part of the ranking.

Lastly, I would maybe adjust some numbers a bit. Slam finals are like half the points of what they currently award in the rankings (not saying it should be exactly like that, but it needs to be a tad higher). The way it stands Ostapenko's lone Slam win > Halep x3 finals. I might agree that 2 slam finals might be less than a slam win, but THREE? To me it's a bit of a stretch. Same for the T1 points: Vika's IW/Miami double is worth less than a half of a slam win (when for example in the men's tour that is equivalent in points to a slam).

Oh, and I'd also add a YE top 3, since finishing #2 and #5 is very different in essence (although for some years the points tally is more similar between the top five than in other years).

Anyway, that's all. It's still a good project, I like it.

 

[FERLKE]

Re: Career Single Ranking

Shocked to see how many more points Sharapova has over Clijsters. (I'm a firm believer that Kim is not only the better player but the greater player between the two, and this has nothing to do with meldonium.) I sometimes forget just how much Maria's achieved, and just how short Kim's career actually was and how little the French and Wimbledon factored into here career.

In my opinion, Kim Clijsters was much better than Maria Sharapova, but the Russian has achieved a bit more. Clijsters had a lot of injuries throughout its career; in fact, she finished only six years as a ten player.

 

[FERLKE]

Re: Career Single Ranking

I like this a lot, but I feel like two aspects should be corrected:

First, some important achievements are excluded, namely, GS SFs (worth only 120 pts less than a P5, or equivalent to a Premier+Intl) and QFs (equivalent almost to a Premier title). This is necessary because otherwise the ranking would be benefiting "vultures" or players who win small titles, rather than those who make deep slam runs. The same goes for a YEC final, which can be worth a PM in points if you win all the matches at the RR stage.

It's true that for some if you don't win the title then it doesn't *really* matter for a "GOAT" ranking who got to the last stages of the tournament... and I might agree to that. But if we're considering small titles and even YE top 20 rankings, then the achievements I mentioned above NEED to be part of the ranking.

Lastly, I would maybe adjust some numbers a bit. Slam finals are like half the points of what they currently award in the rankings (not saying it should be exactly like that, but it needs to be a tad higher). The way it stands Ostapenko's lone Slam win > Halep x3 finals. I might agree that 2 slam finals might be less than a slam win, but THREE? To me it's a bit of a stretch. Same for the T1 points: Vika's IW/Miami double is worth less than a half of a slam win (when for example in the men's tour that is equivalent in points to a slam).

Oh, and I'd also add a YE top 3, since finishing #2 and #5 is very different in essence (although for some years the points tally is more similar between the top five than in other years).

Anyway, that's all. It's still a good project, I like it.

Well...there aren't many players who have won tons of MM Titles. I can only remember Smashnova and Medina...Besides, I do believe that those players who had deep runs at slam such as 4F and R4 most likely have won MM and maybe TIER II and definitely finished in top 20.

Regarding slam SF, I think it's a great achievement that's why I consider it. But honestly players didn't win any title reaching SF; what is more, people tend to forget which players had reached slam SF.
But you have a point in that 150 p. is maybe too little for Slam SF, I may change that.

I think that Slam W, F and TIER I points are just right.

 

[FERLKE]

Re: Career Single Ranking

List Updated

I added Capriati, Davenport, Pierce, Majoli and Anke Huber.

Tomorrow I'll add Novotna, Sanchez V., Martinez, Seles and Graf

 

[sebbe]

Re: Career Single Ranking

Beating no1 would have been interesting.