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And you can't seem to read... it is also a fact that 1 out of 10 people think HTML is an STD. How many times do I have to repeat myself? I avoided nothing. If you want a link, I'll show it to you, but you show me the link to your "facts" first...

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You quoted my post and did nothing more than send me a hug.

You certainly avoided something.

When you brought up the silly HTML thing as a decoy, you were employing the Kellyanne Conway alternative facts ploy.
 

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It's not just Trump who wants to renegotiate FTA's.

Canada wants renegotiated NAFTA to reflect changes, official says

http://www.ogj.com/articles/2017/08/canada-wants-renegotiated-nafta-to-reflect-changes-official-says.html
I don't think it reads that way. It is more a case of "if the US insists in renegotiating, then these are things Canada will want to discuss."

But I can not think of any reason why Canada should want to include a chapter on gender and Indigenous rights in a FTA.
Except that Trudeau seems to think that every issue has to include a chapter on gender and Indigenous rights.

Imagine Trudeau appointing a panel to investigate Indigenous rights and telling them to make sure they investigate the price of cheese!
 

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You clearly do not deal with purchasing or sourcing with any major brands in your every day life. A ton of B2B contracts not include clauses for social audits, sustainability, employee safety and conditions, etc. This is exactly what Canada intends to do.

Make sure that if companies want to export to Canada, they follow some decent social and environmental criteria.

It's called common good, you know.
 

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You clearly do not deal with purchasing or sourcing with any major brands in your every day life. A ton of B2B contracts not include clauses for social audits, sustainability, employee safety and conditions, etc. This is exactly what Canada intends to do.

Make sure that if companies want to export to Canada, they follow some decent social and environmental criteria.

It's called common good, you know.
The problem is that so many people don't have, you know...

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So Canada will inspect some company in Mexico to make sure that all employees are using the proper transgender pronouns? Sure!

And if Canada includes clauses about violation of Indigenous rights in the agreement, doesn't that mean Canada will ban itself from exporting anything?

Are you advocating that Canada should ban all imports from China and the Middle East?
 

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Wow, you are going wayyyy overboard with this. Nowhere did I mention Transgender pronouns, and I certainly didn't talk about China or the Middle East either. Typical conservative garbage, where you mix every single liberal debate and add them into one post. Just ridiculous.

All I'm saying is that if the NAFTA is opening up discussions, the Trudeau government, looking at what Trump is doing right now, wants to make sure it is modernized and more progressive. And because money isn't the only value in the world (which clearly, you struggle to understand), then they want to see if they can help good business practices, such as corporate social responsibility and responsible sourcing, by asking for some of the criteria to be taken into account.

And btw, I deal daily with companies at the multinational level who do request countries from Asia or the Middle East to have decent social conditions and who do social audits. Big, capitalist companies like Walmart and McDonald's have very strong supply chain verifications and sourcing policies. And they won't accept suppliers that don't fit their conditions, and either switch, or ask them to comply.

Why can't a progressive, modern country like Canada ask the same?

But of course, all 'liberal' things don't make common sense. It's all useless arguments. Why ask for health and safety policies in countries where people have horrible work conditions, when you can buy a plastic toy for 2 cents less?

I wonder how you sleep at night.
 

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Re: US Political Thread - Volume 13

Canada has tabled a law, to be considered next week, whereby any purchase of a firearm be accompanied by a (a) set of 2 people who positively identify the buyer and (b) who accept consequences of any wrong-doing arising from the purchased firearm.

It's likely to be passed given current passport requiremetns already include the provisions mentioned in (a) and there is no reasonable opposition to what's proposed in (b).
 

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Re: US Political Thread - Volume 13

Canada has tabled a law, to be considered next week, whereby any purchase of a firearm be accompanied by a (a) set of 2 people who positively identify the buyer and (b) who accept consequences of any wrong-doing arising from the purchased firearm.

It's likely to be passed given current passport requiremetns already include the provisions mentioned in (a) and there is no reasonable opposition to what's proposed in (b).
Yup, looks like Justin is taking this seriously, unlike the orange moron to the south of us...

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/08/13/prime-minister-justin-trudeau-mayor-john-tory-to-discuss-gun-violence-a-day-after-police-funding-announced.html

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Mayor John Tory to discuss gun violence a day after police funding announced

By The Canadian Press
Tues., Aug. 13, 20194

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is expected to meet with Toronto’s mayor today to discuss possible strategies to combat gun violence.

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Welp, I'm guessing people have heard of our glorious leader's "brown face" incidents.

He has done the expected mea culpa (this is the second one actually):


... contrast that with Trump's complete lack of any kind of sympathy for anyone he has wronged :ras:

Now, should they actually try to force him out, I have the perfect replacement, The Honourable Chrystia Freeland:

https://www.chrystiafreelandmp.com/

If for no other reason, than she is on Putin's hit list and it would completely piss him off.

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The Woke Will Always Break Your Heart

Canadian progressives have to decide whether they care more about Justin Trudeau’s policy achievements or his offensive style.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/trudeaus-progressive-style/599203/?utm_term=2019-10-03T10:00:04&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=edit-promo

The 2019 election is a test for Canadian progressives: style or substance. The Liberal government of Justin Trudeau is the most successful progressive government in the world. It instituted a carbon tax and legalized marijuana. Last year, for the first time, Canada settled more refugees than any other country. Because of higher government benefits, child poverty is at its lowest level in history. Economic growth this year reached 3 percent. That is what Trudeau has done. He also appeared in brownface at an Aladdin-themed costume party in 2001 at the age of 29.

Canadian progressives, like progressives all over the world, must decide whether they care more about the pursuit of social and cultural change, through the eradication of anti-racist and anti-sexist imagery, or the pursuit of transformative policies. In 2015, Trudeau promised both. He was the shining ideal of maximum wokeness, imposing a gender-equal cabinet and offering as the explanation, “Because it’s 2015.” Well, it’s 2019 now.

How racist Trudeau’s appearance in brownface was, and therefore how forgivable, is subject to debate. People of color in Canada—by no means a contiguous body or voting bloc—have differences of opinion about the gravity of Trudeau’s browning up. Sunny Khurana, a Sikh man who appears in one of Trudeau’s photos from the “Arabian Nights” theme party at West Point Grey Academy, did not find his appearance there racist in the slightest. “He wasn’t trying to demean anybody who was a person of color, and from what I can recall from that function, it never came across as that, not at all,” he said recently. “I mean, I didn’t even think twice of it. It was a good party. We had fun.”

Others read the costume as symptomatic of Canada’s racist history generally, and in particular its history with minstrel shows, which is more extensive than you might think. (The composer of Canada’s national anthem performed in blackface.) Others, such as the society gossip columnist Shinan Govani, have acknowledged personal conflicts: “It is the season of moral gymnastics, here in Canada,” he wrote in the Daily Beast.

Needless to say, dispassionate debate about the significance of Trudeau’s costume—parsing his intentions and the context—is not possible, given that we’re in the middle of an election. The picture went viral; that’s what counts. Liberal Party candidates have been struggling. “It was wrong then, and it’s wrong now,” Harjit Sajjan, the defense minister, told the CBC. “But I’m also here to talk about the person I know, in terms of how much he is standing up for people.”

Whatever Canadians may think about the photograph itself, it closes off a major line of attack for Trudeau. Live by the sword of political correctness, die by the sword of political correctness. You can’t argue that your opponents are a bunch of embarrassing antiquities living in the political past—by, say, replaying the Conservative leader’s 2005 speech opposing gay marriage, which the Liberals were doing right up until this story broke—when the internet is rife with your face in brown makeup.

The Trudeau scandal points to a larger problem: The woke will always break your heart. It’s not just that nobody’s perfect, and it’s not just that times change, and it’s not even that the instinct to punish that defines so much of the left is inherently self-defeating. If people want to sell you morality, of any kind, they always have something to hide.

The main criticism from Trudeau’s opponents on the right has usually been that he’s a spoiled brat—a son of privilege—not up to running the country. A faker. The brownface debacle has now become, on the left, a symbol of his lack of real commitment to progressive values. But the cross-party consensus that Trudeau is slight and phony doesn’t survive even a cursory examination of his record. An independent assessment by two dozen Canadian academics found that Trudeau has kept 92 percent of his campaign promises, the most by any Canadian government in 35 years. He is measurably, demonstrably the most sincere and effective prime minister in living memory. He is the rare case of a man whose virtue-signaling has distracted from his real virtues.

Only the left struggles with these standards of style. Right-wing political opponents in Canada and elsewhere have a completely different understanding of acceptable behavior. In the United States, President Donald Trump’s supporters take his brand of nastiness, his aggressive rejection of even the most basic social norms, as a sign of authenticity. Meanwhile, Senator Elizabeth Warren is still apologizing for her Cherokee-ancestry claim.

This imbalance matters, because the left’s aesthetic vulnerability comes at a moment of real threat for progressives. Multiculturalism as a project is dying globally, and not because of a sudden outbreak of brownface performances. The “Howdy Modi” event in Houston revealed how the world is turning: populism, xenophobia, the bragging stupidity of ethnic pride. During the last election, Trudeau’s main opponent, the Conservatives, promised “barbaric cultural practices” hotlines and “Canadian values tests” alongside a two-tiered citizenship system under which dual citizens and immigrants could have their citizenship revoked while natural-born Canadians could not. If voters who believe in multiculturalism cannot forgive face paint, the multicultural project as policy may not survive.

In this context, it’s unclear whether the extreme blandness of Trudeau’s main opponent, Andrew Scheer, helps or hurts the prime minister’s chances for reelection. Scheer does not bother with costumes. He’s not photogenic enough. He, too, is embroiled in a scandal, however—about whether he was properly accredited to claim he worked as an insurance broker for a few months. This may be not just the most boring scandal in this election, and or in Canadian history, but the most boring scandal imaginable. I cannot imagine a duller one. Nobody thinks about Scheer much. But perhaps Canadians want a prime minister they don’t have to think about much.

“The fact of the matter is that I’ve always—and you’ll know this—been more enthusiastic about costumes than is sometimes appropriate,” Trudeau acknowledged in the first of a seemingly endless series of apologies. Progressives loved Trudeau’s best costume: Captain Woke. We’ll find out in October whether they were with him for his policies or his poses. They can’t have both. But they can have neither.
 

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So, in Canaduh's very tame political atmosphere, the big story today is that Andrew Scheer (leader of the conservatives, and Trudeau's main competition in the current election) has dual citizenship with Murica. This is contentious mainly because he had highly criticized a liberal politician for having dual citizenship with France :ras:

He is now scrambling and saying that he is denouncing his Murican citizenship. He had a really lame excuse too for why this was the first Canaduh had heard of this, "No one ever asked me before" :spit:

I bet he voted for Trump in the last election.

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Canadian Conservatives: Fuck Trudeau! He is a racist! How could anyone vote for him?!!! (based on a something stupid he did 20 years ago)

Andrew Scheer, meanwhile, still refuses to apologize for being homophobic.

Canadian Conservatives:

 

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Look, I'm far from a Trudeau fan but at least he is willing to apologize (that still doesn't mean he is a good PM. Hell no!). This election sucks because the 2 options (the ones that have a real chance of winning) are not really great at all. And Scheer imo looks way less trustworthy with all the drama that surrounds him. He makes me feel uneasy in a lot of ways. I really have no good reason to vote for him. And it's a shame the other option is Trudeau who haven't achieved anything noteworthy himself.
 

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Welp, today is the day we might have the closest election ever in Canaduh. Should be interesting... I mean by Canadian standards, we definitely don't want to be Murican-level interesting :lol:

I just came back from voting.

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