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This is so perfectly stated. Financial conservatism - no problem, I respect that, could definitely see myself voting for them. Social conservatism, even a watered down version compared to Republicans in the USA, is a no-starter.
Precisely. I don't even see how this medley of Conservative ideals mushed together into one party is advantageous for most conservatives - as they tend to range on different ends of the spectrum from simple fiscally conservative to full blown everything conservative - and though I vehemently oppose social conservatives and everything they stand for, I can sympathize that it would be less than ideal to see your voice no longer be represented. This is the same problem that would occur with a Liberal and NDP merger, which thankfully wasn't really truly on the table anyway.
 

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Never conservative, hated Harper, always supported ABC (anything but Conservative) vote here in Canada, but this Proposition M 103 really makes me angry and worried about WTF is Justin doing.

If that shit goes through I will really think twice about who am I going to vote in the next election.
 

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I don't understand why opposition to M-103. It's literally a non-binding motion to recognize that Islamophobia, along with all other discrimination and hateful speech, is counter to Canadian values.

It will not impact the Criminal Code or change the test for hate speech or hate crimes. It is not a piece of legislation. People who disagree with M-103 probably disagree with Black Lives Matters, which is all I need to know about them. :tape:
 

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I don't understand why opposition to M-103. It's literally a non-binding motion to recognize that Islamophobia, along with all other discrimination and hateful speech, is counter to Canadian values.

It will not impact the Criminal Code or change the test for hate speech or hate crimes. It is not a piece of legislation. People who disagree with M-103 probably disagree with Black Lives Matters, which is all I need to know about them. :tape:
Are you for real????? How can you compare "Black Lives Matter" to this. Are Canadian policemen killing anyone based on their religion or skin color? Of course not.

This is a discriminatory proposition by the government that is against charter of rights, equality, freedom of speech and anything Canada and Canadians should stand for.
It puts one religion and people who practice it above and more equal than the rest of us. Basically it prevents anyone from criticizing anything related to Islam. A fist step towards allowing Islam to enforce their twisted values to the rest of us in Canada. What is next? Sharia law here?

Will not fly. I am afraid this ridiculous unreasonable pro-islamic stance by Liberals will just make lots of people angry and we will have a full Trump effect here in Canada in the next election as well. i.e. An angry oppressed silent majority votes for some tool like Kevin O'Leary. Just wait and see. :shrug:
 

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:lol: You are so absolutely ignorant on this issue (not to mention law in general, freedom of speech principles, etc.) that I have no interest in discussing it with you. Enjoy! :wavey:
 

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:lol: You are so absolutely ignorant on this issue (not to mention law in general, freedom of speech principles, etc.) that I have no interest in discussing it with you. Enjoy! :wavey:
Well, maybe you have nothing else to say, but I would like your opinion on the McGill University student representative who tweeted, "Punch a Zionist today."

Is that anti-Semitic hate speech? Should he be expelled from McGill?

It seems the university thinks he did nothing wrong and decided to take no action.
If he can say that, then it must perfectly acceptable to the university if a student representative tweeted, "Kick a Muslim today."
But I doubt that any student would risk making the test.

And by the way, are you aware that the central plank of the BLM agenda is to destroy western family culture and have children brought up by the commune? All the police stuff is just a publicity vehicle for them.
They have already destroyed the Toronto Pride Parade, they should be stopped before they do any more damage.
Oh, I forgot, they called Trudeau a white supremist Islamophobe. If M-103 can get them banned, then I support it.
 

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:lol: You are so absolutely ignorant on this issue (not to mention law in general, freedom of speech principles, etc.) that I have no interest in discussing it with you. Enjoy! :wavey:
Your problem. The only one ignorant about what is going on here is you. Are you calling all those Muslims who are scared with what Liberals are doing here, reject M-103 and call it infraction of freedom of speech in the above video ignorant too? :facepalm:

Comparing Black Lives Matter and this abomination of a proposition is an ignorance indeed.

And after the next election you will be back here complaining why are Liberals not reelected, just like many Americans now cry about Trump. We will see then who is ignorant.
 

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I don't understand why opposition to M-103. It's literally a non-binding motion to recognize that Islamophobia, along with all other discrimination and hateful speech, is counter to Canadian values.

It will not impact the Criminal Code or change the test for hate speech or hate crimes. It is not a piece of legislation. People who disagree with M-103 probably disagree with Black Lives Matters, which is all I need to know about them. :tape:
I don't like Islam. I don't like Christianity.

These are religions, not people.

Am I Islamophobi? If I say that Islam is detrimental to humanity am I violating Canadian values?
 

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I think the world will be quite tired of Trump and the alt-right by the time the next Canadian election rolls around in 2019. Watch the Liberals march to another majority again.
 

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I think the world will be quite tired of Trump and the alt-right by the time the next Canadian election rolls around in 2019. Watch the Liberals march to another majority again.
A lot can happen in 2.5 years.

I would prefer the current Liberal party to win over the other two, but not a majority - and I very well may not feel that way in 2019 (God willing there will be better options by then!)

It's hard to really know where the CPC or NDP are going until we see who wins their leadership races.

In any case, they're all going to be full of shit and campaign on half promises. The trick is to find the ones which are least offensive to you :D
 

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And by the way, are you aware that the central plank of the BLM agenda is to destroy western family culture and have children brought up by the commune? All the police stuff is just a publicity vehicle for them.
Literally the first I ever read this. Sources?


They have already destroyed the Toronto Pride Parade, they should be stopped before they do any more damage.
None of the gay people I know who go to it seem to agree that it has been destroyed. Did I miss something? Not sarcasm. Real question. Maybe I missed something.

Oh, I forgot, they called Trudeau a white supremist Islamophobe. If M-103 can get them banned, then I support it.
This I did see, and did not understand.
 

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Refugees In Canada Rely On Welfare, Odd Jobs To Repay Debt To Federal Gov't

Refugees In Canada Rely On Welfare, Odd Jobs To Repay Debt To Federal Gov't

About 94 per cent of government-assisted refugees receive financial support from the government through its Immigration Loans Program (ILP), which helps cover transportation and medical costs. Newcomers must start paying back the loans 30 days after they arrive in Canada — although with system delays, the process typically takes a few months.

The CCR reports 76 per cent of government-assisted refugees use social assistance to meet loan requirements, while cutting back on basic expenses such as housing, food and clothing.
 

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:lol: I like how Williamser always cherry-picks quotes from stories without actually reading them.

too funny
 

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Another Russia ‘Fake News’ Red Herring



Exclusive: In the West, it’s now common for politicians to shout Russian “fake news” when embarrassing facts come out — as happened with Canada’s new foreign minister hiding a Nazi family skeleton, reports Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry
On Feb, 27, Consortiumnews.com published an article describing misrepresentations by Canada’s new Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland about her Ukrainian maternal grandfather whom she has portrayed as a hero who struggled “to return freedom and democracy to Ukraine” but left out that he was a Nazi propagandist whose newspaper justified the slaughter of Jews.



Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland


Over the next week, the article entitled “A Nazi Skeleton in the Family Closet” by journalist Arina Tsukanova (which I personally edited and fact-checked) circulated enough that Freeland was asked about it by the Canadian news media. As often happens these days, Freeland chose not to tell the truth but rather portrayed the article as part of a Russian propaganda and disinformation campaign.
Freeland told reporters, “I don’t think it’s a secret. American officials have publicly said, and even [German Chancellor] Angela Merkel has publicly said, that there were efforts on the Russian side to destabilize Western democracies, and I think it shouldn’t come as a surprise if these same efforts were used against Canada. … I think that Canadians and indeed other Western countries should be prepared for similar efforts to be directed at them.”
Though Freeland did not comment directly on the truthfulness of our article, her office denied that her grandfather was a Nazi collaborator.
Other leaders of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government joined in the counterattack. Citing the danger of Russian disinformation, Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale, said, “The situation is obviously one where we need to be alert.”
In an article on March 6, Canada’s Globe and Mail also rallied to Freeland’s defense claiming that she was “being targeted by allegations in pro-Moscow websites that her maternal Ukrainian grandfather was a Nazi collaborator.”
The newspaper also reached out to other experts to add their denunciations of Consortiumnews.com and other news sites that either reposted our story or ran a similar one.
“It is the continued Russian modus operandi that they have. Fake news, disinformation and targeting different individuals,” said Paul Grod, president of the Canadian Ukrainian Congress. “It is just so outlandish when you hear some of these allegations – whether they are directed at minister Freeland or others.”
The Globe and Mail also quoted Ukraine’s ambassador to Canada, Andriy Shevchenko, citing our supposedly fake news as “another reason … we should realize that Russia is waging a war against the free world. It is not just about Ukraine.”
The ambassador then offered some advice about standing up to the Russians and their disinformationists: “I am absolutely sure they will seek new targets in the free world so I would encourage our Canadian friends to be prepared for that, to stay strong and we will be happy to share our experience in how to deal with all these information wars.”


A Second-Day Story
The only problem with all these righteous condemnations was that the information about Freeland’s grandfather was true – and Freeland knew that it was true.



Michael Chomiak and wife Alexandra, with their children in Canada in 1952. Freeland’s mother Halyna is second from left.


In a second-day story, The Globe and Mail had to revisit the issue, reporting that “Freeland knew for more than two decades that her maternal Ukrainian grandfather was the chief editor of a Nazi newspaper in occupied Poland that vilified Jews during the Second World War.”
In other words, not only was our story accurate but Freeland knowingly launched a deceptive attack on us and other news outlets to punish us for writing the truth.
And not only was our story correct but it was newsworthy, given Freeland’s fierce support for Ukrainian nationalism and her deep hatred of Russia. Canadians have a right to know what drives those passions in their Foreign Minister. In this case, her worldview derived from her grandparents who sided with Adolf Hitler and who fled to the West as the Soviet Red Army defeated the Nazis.
Yet, instead of fessing up and acknowledging these facts, Freeland chose to dissemble and slander journalists who were doing their job. And the smears didn’t entirely stop.
Even as the Globe and Mail admitted the reality about Freeland’s grandfather, it continued to disparage the journalists who had exposed the facts. The second line of the newspaper’s second-day article read: “Ms. Freeland’s family history has become a target for Russian forces seeking to discredit one of Canada’s highly placed defenders of Ukraine.”
This pattern has become all too common in the West, to insult and discredit anyone who doesn’t accept the “groupthinks” about the New Cold War. Just as the major news media marched in lockstep over the Iraq-WMD falsehoods, so it has been toeing the line on the hysteria over supposed “Russian propaganda” and “fake news.”


Hidden History
In its second bite at the apple, the Globe and Mail noted that “Ms. Freeland, who has paid tribute to her maternal grandparents in articles and books, helped edit a scholarly article in the Journal of Ukrainian Studies in 1996 that revealed her grandfather, Michael Chomiak, was a Nazi propagandist for Krakivski Visti (Krakow News).



Jewish women lined up waiting to be shot at Babi Yar, September 1941


“Krakivski Visti was set up in 1940 by the German army and supervised by German intelligence officer Emil Gassert. Its printing presses and offices were confiscated by the Germans from a Jewish publisher, who was later murdered at the Belzec concentration camp.” All of that was reported in our Feb. 27 article.
The Journal of Ukrainian Studies article was written by Freeland’s uncle, John-Paul Himka, a professor emeritus at the University of Alberta, who credits help from Freeland in the foreword. However, as the Globe and Mail wrote, “Ms. Freeland has never acknowledged that her grandfather was a Nazi collaborator and suggested on Monday that the allegation was part of a Russian disinformation campaign.”
Some members of Freeland’s family have tried to recast the storyline to portray Chomiak as something of a double agent, but Himka said he was never able to verify this information, which he called “fragmentary and one-sided,” the Globe and Mail reported.
Himka added that he never knew that Chomiak had worked for the Nazis until after his father-in-law died and left behind copies of Krakivski Visti in his personal papers.
The day after her initial comments on our article, Freeland’s office offered a brief statement: “Dating back many years, the Minister has supported her uncle’s efforts to study and publish on this difficult chapter in her late grandfather’s past.”
But Freeland, who has a background as a journalist herself, did not explain why she chose initially to dissemble about her grandfather and to slander journalists who were telling the truth.

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/09/another-russia-fake-news-red-herring/
 
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