Can Serena become number 1 if she only plays 13 tournaments ?

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justine&coria

Discussion Starter · Sep 17, 2003

Can Serena become number 1 (in the rankings) next year if she still plays 13 tournaments ?

Well, this year, there's no real chance she can be number 1. Next year, there's Australian Open, which she won last year, so she won't win that much points. She probably won't be number 1, before February/March !

If I'm right : at the end of last year, Serena had almost 6200 points and won 3 Slams (but she didn't play at AO). :worship:

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This year, Clijsters hasn’t won any Slam and almost have 6600 points

(400 more than what Serena had at the end of last year). And because of the fact that she plays more than 17 tournaments (22), if she goes on playing consistently as so far, I have the feeling her points are not gonna fall that much, even with Serena and Venus playing (Clijsters’ 18th tournament gives her almost 200 points for the moment

). And many see her as a GS contender (what would her points be with a win in GS ?)

Besides, Justine is playing and winning consistently this year :worship:

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(she won 7 tournaments out of 14 = the half)! Of course, she has a lot of points to defend next year on clay, but I don’t think she will lose lots of points. And she can win some points at next year’s beginning.

Venus will surely give Serena problems. I’m sure she will stop Serena’s winning streak against her :fiery:

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. It’s almost the same thing for Capriati.

And considering she didn’t take part to this year’s US Open, it’ll be more difficult for her to become number 1 before US Open 2004 (anyway, I’m sure she’ll grab many points at next year’s US Open).

What do you think ? Will Serena play more, to become number 1 (if she’s not injured) ? Or won’t she care of that 1st spot, as long as she’s considered the best (of course, she’ll have to prove that, even on clay against Justine for example)?
Thoughts ?

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bandabou

· #2 · Sep 17, 2003

She won´t.....but that won´t matter for the slams anyways...do u really think that because she isn´t no.1 it would be easier to defeat her at the slams?! As long as she is winning the slams....the people will know who´s the best player and real no.1.

RAA

· #3 · Sep 17, 2003

well, I actually think its amazing how close, relatively speaking, Serena is to kim and justine considering how many fewer tourneys she has played.

if kim or justine cut back just a hair, and don't defend all their points and serena plays a bit more, well, things could tighten up considerably.

I think serena did enjoy being the OFFICIAL #1. So she is going to be torn between getting that ranking back up and playing a less than full schedule. however, I do agree that she could easily be "consoled" by winning a number of slams next year even without the #1 ranking.

SJW

· #4 · Sep 17, 2003

if Serena wins the Grand Slam, why not

bandabou

· #5 · Sep 17, 2003

RAA said:
well, I actually think its amazing how close, relatively speaking, Serena is to kim and justine considering how many fewer tourneys she has played.

if kim or justine cut back just a hair, and don't defend all their points and serena plays a bit more, well, things could tighten up considerably.

I think serena did enjoy being the OFFICIAL #1. So she is going to be torn between getting that ranking back up and playing a less than full schedule. however, I do agree that she could easily be "consoled" by winning a number of slams next year even without the #1 ranking.

Yeah, the Kim fans drool about how impressive it is that Kim got over 6000 without a slam, while it is what Serena did that´s impressive. Playing 13 tournaments and getting over 6000 is more impressive, than playing 23 tournaments and getting over 6000.

You´re right....Serena enjoyed her stay and I think that if she can stay healthy she will try to regain her top ranking back.

Fantastic

· #6 · Sep 18, 2003

Serena can be No. 1 playing only 13 tournaments, as long as 4 of them are Grand Slams, and the rest of them are Tier 2 or better. And then she has to win at least 8 of those tournaments, preferably 3 or more of which are Grand Slams. Of those 10 tournaments, she can deprive Kim Clijsters of points Kim would otherwise have gained by advancing further. Thus, Kim loses points where she once gained them and possibly gets bumped down to No. 2 or No. 3, depending on how well the other players perform. If Kim manages to somehow avoid playing the same tournaments as Serena, I think mathmatically, she'd still need to win a Grand Slam title to match any that Serena might win. So many IF's aren't there? So nothing is impossible.

Experimentee

· #7 · Sep 18, 2003

After the US Open Serena was already very close to #1, considering she played much less than Kim or Justine and lost 1000 points from missing the US Open. I think if she'd played the US Open and a couple of other hardcourt tournaments she might have still been #1 after the US Open. So I think she can be next year, if she stays injury free and plays all the Grand Slams.

vogus

· #8 · Sep 18, 2003

Serena can be number one playing way fewer than 13 tournies. Heck she can be #1 with only 8 tournies if she wins them all. Why bother to play 13 when 8 will do?

AjdeNate!

· #9 · Sep 18, 2003

She could probably do it with about 8 events really. If she wins all 4 Slams, and 4 Tier Is, that should do it.

Monsters

· #10 · Sep 18, 2003

what's the point........
she didnt play enough tournaments,
and she didnt get enough points to be #1,
'nuff said

tennnisfannn

· #11 · Sep 18, 2003

SJW said:
if Serena wins the Grand Slam, why not

Kim has proven you do not have to win a grand slam to be no.1 let alone the Grand Slam.
What is to stop serena from getting back the no.1 ranking?

Monsters

· #12 · Sep 18, 2003

tennnisfannn said:
Kim has proven you do not have to win a grand slam to be no.1 let alone the Grand Slam.
What is to stop serena from getting back the no.1 ranking?

yes, and i guess Iva Majoli should have become #1 in the world

Serena is lucky to rank this high coz WTA over-award points for slams,
and she is against the young/inexperienced Kim/Justine,
then injured Lindsay, slumping Jen, and where-are-thou Venus,
as sad as it is to expect her to take the rest of the year off,
please do not “prophesize"

tennnisfannn

· #13 · Sep 18, 2003

Monsters said:
yes, and i guess Iva Majoli should have become #1 in the world
Serena is lucky to rank this high coz WTA over-award points for slams,
and she is against the young/inexperienced Kim/Justine,
then injured Lindsay, slumping Jen, and where-are-thou Venus,
as sad as it is to expect her to take the rest of the year off,
please do not “prophesize"

Are you trying to cheapen Serena's accomplishments? Then against whom have Kim and Justine been playing to get to 1&2. Haven't they won against an injured lindsay, slumping Jen and 'thither -I-am-Venus, and before you point it out, yes against Serena too.
I did not mean the likes of Iva majoli making it to no.1. Any of the top girls playing either a full schedule or winning a slam can make it. Justine, Venus or Serena and Jen too. It is not as if if Serena increased her schedule she would start losing to the likes of Granville or the qualifiers. Once in a while there will be the patty schnyders, Lina K or Maggie Maleeva. But anytime the sisters or the belgians play semis or better is to be expected of them.
IMO anyone of the four can get the no.1 ranking.

justine&coria

Discussion Starter · #14 · Sep 18, 2003

Seles said:
She could probably do it with about 8 events really. If she wins all 4 Slams, and 4 Tier Is, that should do it.

1100 x 4 + 400 x 4 = 6000 points : with 8 tournaments, she's not likely to become number 1.
ANyway, I didn't meant that with playing 13 tournaments, it's mathematically impossible for Serena to become number 1.
But, let's be more realistic : will she win all 4 GS next year ? I don't think so. Venus (on every surface), Justine (especially on clay), and Kim won't probably let her win the 4 GS.
Will she be unbeaten next year ? : I don't think so for the same reasons, and, of course, we can expect that Serena has a bad day against other players (remember Loit at AO, or Justine at Charleston - i'm joking here

)!
So, with 13 tournaments, Serena is not very likely to become once again number 1. Even if she plays extremely well. (I can't understand how Justine is still behind Kim, with 2 more GS, and 1 more Tier I)
I really hope that next year she plays at least 15 tournies! It'd be great !

MyskinaRocks

· #15 · Sep 18, 2003

No, Serena cannot be #1 with 13 tournaments, because Kim and Justine are like, actually good now, and no longer young and inexperienced.

fammmmedspin

· #16 · Sep 18, 2003

Of course Serena can do it with 13. The question is when and February March is far too early I should have thought. The problem is that KIm could do even better i- f she went a match or two further in Australia for example - and Justine, who may well be number one, has considerable scope for adding points. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Belgians still number 1 and 2 at Wimbledon.

SerenaSlam

· #17 · Sep 18, 2003

i think she can do it, didn't she do this last year? i thought she played only 13 tournies? im bout to check..............
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that is correct, last year serena only played 13 tournies, and she got to number 1. the thing is, she can do it, but it would be hard, now if she played like 2 more tournies, the sad thing for Justine and Kim is, that is all serena would need to play extra inorder to catch up with her. justine and kim, have played almost 10 more tournies than serena just to catch up. its amazing serena and venus plays so little, but stay at the top. i don't think anyone else could do this. not even kim and justine. there is a big difference here.

im just waiting to see who gets both williams in one half, who really is gonna wanna take to it to venus and serena. right now, on the court no-one has taken it to venus and serena with the consistency to say they can contend to overtake them. kim and jusitne have taken it to venus and serena, but only in the number of tournies played for the year. they have beaten both sisters in tournies played. but not in ability on the court.

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Serendy Willick

· #18 · Sep 18, 2003

Monsters said:
yes, and i guess Iva Majoli should have become #1 in the world
Serena is lucky to rank this high coz WTA over-award points for slams,
and she is against the young/inexperienced Kim/Justine,
then injured Lindsay, slumping Jen, and where-are-thou Venus,
as sad as it is to expect her to take the rest of the year off,
please do not “prophesize"

And let me guess, Kim and Justine have been beating the best of the best to win their titles riggght?

The woman won two slams this year, how in the hell should she be "lucky" she fucking earned it.
Young/inexperienced Kim/Justine? Get fucking real. Slumping Jen, thats funny, the woman hasnt beaten Serena in two years. Injured Lindsay? The woman hasnt beaten her since 2000, healthy or not.and I agree about Venus. Kim a threat? Sorry, but she needs to be able to beat an opponent that can barely walk (allegedly) just twenty four hours after completing a tough match, not let them off on a free pass, before becoming threats.

bandabou

· #19 · Sep 18, 2003

It will be too difficult for Serena to do it with only thirteen tournaments...but if someone can do it, hey it must be Serena. The thing´s that the Belgians not only play much, but right now are beating everyone but the Williamses...so Serena will have to play some more tournaments to acomplish that dream.

SerenaSlam

· #20 · Sep 18, 2003

bandabou said:
It will be too difficult for Serena to do it with only thirteen tournaments...but if someone can do it, hey it must be Serena. The thing´s that the Belgians not only play much, but right now are beating everyone but the Williamses...so Serena will have to play some more tournaments to acomplish that dream.

funnie thing is, what is more? 13 tournies? serena played this much last year, and everyone was saying how, since serena is playing more, her ranking is gonig up blah blach, they say serena played more last year, so that is why she got to number 1.

i've been saying that its not about how much serena plays to the extent of how much the belgians play. when serena won wimbledon last year, her matches played this year compared to last year after her win, where more wins this year, and more matches played this year, than last year. but yet, everyone during wimbledon was talking about how serena just doesn't play enough. funnie thing is, last year that time (wimbledon semis and finals) they were saying serena was playing more, and this is why she gets to be number 1.

so i wanna know what is it? last year we said serena played more and she became number 1 right after she won wimbledon. this year we say serena doesn't play enough is playing to little, playing less, and right after she won wimbledon, it was if kim becomes number 1 she was desering, although you had justine accomplshing the same, and more than kim at that time, including a slam, and two wins over the number 1 player.

it kills me how judgemental people get when it comes to the williams sisters. they will change their minds and opinoins so quickly to not have the sisters in a postive notion, they rather have them on the negtaive end of things. i knew that the praise of serena "supposedly" playing more last year wouldn't last. she is playing more this year, than she did last year, but yet people quickly change their opinions and views, when someone is riding on serena's heels in the "rankings" but not "ability" to dethrone a williams as the number 1 player, and make her just the "favorite" going into tournies, but not the top seed.

i actually loved it this way back when. i remeber when everyone would say they wished serena would get her ranking up. they were wishing b/c serena was drawing them in quarters and earlier, and beating them. she got her ranking up, people applauded her, but now, all we see is people putting her down, for somthing she did the same last year, and they were again just continually praising her for the achievement.

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