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Too right. This isn't going to end well. He is almost acting like Tony Blair did when he became Labour leader, and look at where that got the party.
Thinking more like Neil Kinnock - who didn't do very well against Maggie.
 

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"The request has been declined". Good. Keir isn't for turning. He is committed to irradiating all anti-Antisemitism from the Labour party. Shame Johnson is as committed to irradiating all Islamophobia from the Conservative party. Oops....I forgot....he can't.... he is part of it.
Bad news for you. the gentleman apparently is also for U turning :-

The new Labour leader is expected to meet with over 12 members of the hard-Left Socialist Campaign Group on the frontbench today to repair relations, after initially refusing their advances.

 

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Bad news for you. the gentleman apparently is also for U turning :-

The new Labour leader is expected to meet with over 12 members of the hard-Left Socialist Campaign Group on the frontbench today to repair relations, after initially refusing their advances.

If he reinstates Long Bailey that is indeed a u-turn. Not going to happen though. But hey if these headlines make you feel good that is great. I'm pleased for you. I'm also pleased at the calm swift action Keir Starmer is showing himself capable of in a crisis. That inspires confidence. It is also a big contrast to what we have now. So I'm happy too. We're both happy. Isn't it great?
 

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Adey the general election is 4 years away...


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Yes and it'll be 4 years of Labour infighting starting from yesterday.
 
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Yes and it'll be 4 years of Labour infighting starting from yesterday.
I don’t think so, I think we have more pressing matters, otherwise you could’ve said the Dominic Cummings thing would run and run and it hasn’t, it’ll be over within three weeks.


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I don’t think so, I think we have more pressing matters, otherwise you could’ve said the Dominic Cummings thing would run and run and it hasn’t, it’ll be over within three weeks.


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There was more pressing matters in the 80's too if you were a Labour supporter - but they spent years and years attacking and infighting in their own party - I can guarantee you this has lit the blue touch paper.
 

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If he reinstates Long Bailey that is indeed a u-turn. Not going to happen though. But hey if these headlines make you feel good that is great. I'm pleased for you. I'm also pleased at the calm swift action Keir Starmer is showing himself capable of in a crisis. That inspires confidence. It is also a big contrast to what we have now. So I'm happy too. We're both happy. Isn't it great?
I was saying that the actual U turn was that he did end up having this meeting with the left wing MP's after all.
 

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Difference between a lot of comparisons being made here is Thatcher had a strong economy and low unemployment going into 1987. The stark opposite is about to be true here. Nothing changes opinions more than a bad economy.
 

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Difference between a lot of comparisons being made here is Thatcher had a strong economy and low unemployment going into 1987. The stark opposite is about to be true here. Nothing changes opinions more than a bad economy.
The most important thing of all though is divided opposition parties don't win elections.
 

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The most important thing of all though is divided opposition parties don't win elections.
It's laughable nonsense to claim this is more important than the economy.

Kinnock losing vs Thatcher wasn't to do with a divided Labour party. Blair's New Labour wasn't liked by the left wing of the party, they still won.

When did the leadership even last change hands that wasn't down to the economy? 2010, 1997, 1979, 1974 were all down to economic problems. I'd have to read up on elections before that. The 1945 election which had a very different backdrop to what you'd ever get now was won on the back of people still blaming the Conservatives for the economic problems before the war, even Churchill's popularity couldn't win the argument against that.
 

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The contrast here between Keir Starmer who showed guts and decisive action sack Long-Bailey and thus won the public's approval vs Johnson's cowardliness and cronyism failing to sack Cummings and gaining massive disapproval in the process is beyond stack. I think the public are quickly getting the message who is the strong leader, who is the smarter leader and who is the most principled and trustworthy leader.

It's worth noting Starmer's actions have gained him respect from Labour supports but even more respect from Tory supporters. That's going to count for a lot a few years from now.

 
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