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Another gripe with the EU and the issue of sovereignty I have is the CAP. This is the flagship policy of the EU. But the most expensive by a mile. OK we don't have the obscene butter mountains and wine lakes that we had in the past under CAP. But the EU pay (and we fund) rich farmers to maintain their land growing nothing in order to maintain the countryside.

The pro EU anti Brexit Michael Heseltine - a former Conservative minister but now expelled from the Conservative party for his continual undermining the UK leaving the EU. He's apparently worth nearly 300 million pounds - much more than Rees Mogg who is criticised here by Remoaners for being rich. Heseltine has been receiving 90 thousand pounds a year in EU land subsidies under the EU CAP policy. But Heseltine is all lovey dovey for Remoaners because he's pro the EU.
Did you see the New York Times article I posted a while back about how corrupt the CAP system is and how the majority of it ends up being paid to very wealthy people, who are often politicians. None of the EU lovers on here commented of course.
 

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You know the more I hear Ursula von der Leyen - the more I've come round to very much respecting her. Obviously I disagree with some of what she says and I am against the EU Commission passing laws the UK has had to implement.

But she conducts herself in a professional manner. She speaks with respect for those she is speaking to. What a change to that former president - that disgrace we had in Juncker. Drunk half the time, complaining about the food he had in 10 Downing Street - no doubt wasn't up to the lavish expenses paid highly costly meals he thought he should be entitled to. A disgrace to women - ruffling a woman's hair in public.

Then there's Tusk with his "We have a knife to their throat" about the UK negotiations with Theresa May. Then Verhofstadt - sneering and hates the "Little Englander" as he calls us.

Ursula von der Leyen is saying they will need more time to negotiate a deal but this makes me even more certain that imposing a deadline of the end of 2020 to complete the Transition period is all the more important. But whether I disagree with her or not - she is respectful and doesn't adopt the hateful language people use when arguing about Brexit.
I didn't disgree with anything she said in that speech. Her tone is respectful and reasonable - let's hope that that's how the negotiations go. Hopefully, too, the EU now realise that Brexit is no longer in doubt and that they are no longer dealing with a half-hearted, lame duck PM who will cave in to the EU on every point. With genuine good will on both sides there is no reason for the UK not to have a close, collaborative and mutually beneficial relationship. In fact, in areas such as security it is essential, as Ms von der Leyen clearly recognises.
 

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And in the race to succeed Corbyn - so far - they have till Monday to get 22 nominations:-

Considering Starmer and Thornberry were the two who pushed Corbyn into his Brexit stance I'm surprised to see he's currently in the lead

 

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And in the race to succeed Corbyn - so far - they have till Monday to get 22 nominations:-

Considering Starmer and Thornberry were the two who pushed Corbyn into his Brexit stance I'm surprised to see he's currently in the lead

Given that the party membership has been hijacked by the far left, I doubt that millionaire,champagne socialist, north London luvvie Keir will do too well in the ballot. Rebecca L-B is a more likely winner I would think.
 

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I actually like all 4 of those women - Lisa Nandy was the only one of them to vote for Boris's Brexit bill just before the election.
 

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Rebecca Ling-Bailey is too left wing - continuity Corbyn
Lisa Nandy I know nothing about
Jess Phillis I like best - she seems down to earth and honest
Emily Thornberry I like for her willingness, generally, to give a straight answer but not otherwise.
 

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Given that the party membership has been hijacked by the far left, I doubt that millionaire,champagne socialist, north London luvvie Keir will do too well in the ballot. Rebecca L-B is a more likely winner I would think.
He leads the early polls with the membership comfortably and is odds on to win the contest. Long-Bailey nowhere near as popular amongst the far left as Corbyn was, a lot of those were calling for Ian Lavery to stand. Apparently Len McCluskey isn't convinced by Long-Bailey either and is trying to get Gardiner to stand (though I don't see how that would help at all at this stage). It will probably come down to Starmer vs Long-Bailey, maybe Nandy. The others pretty much have no chance, Lewis and Thornberry won't get past the first stage from the look of it, Phillips will struggle in the second stage requiring support from the unions and constituency parties.
 

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Well the thing is this time is that they can't hold out hope or think this time that the British public would vote to remain because we know that 's not going to happen with a majority of 80 for a party who's main Election slogan was Get Brexit Done.

I don't really know much about her but she came across very well earlier today, much better than Juncker ever did. I completely agree about the deadline though, we've already had 3 and half years of delaying tactics and we must never allow that to happen again.
The irony of this talk from Brexiteers is the quicker a deal is done it will be because we've caved more as the only way to get a deal by 2020 will be to sign up pretty much to what the EU want (which = close alignment). Then again that's pretty much what we did last time so if you can sell the lemon I guess it doesn't matter. It will be at complete logger heads with the idea of a grand trade deal with the US though, not that's a particularly good idea anyway.
 

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Well the good thing now is there'll be at least 4 candidates who've made it to the 22 nominations :-

 

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He leads the early polls with the membership comfortably and is odds on to win the contest. Long-Bailey nowhere near as popular amongst the far left as Corbyn was, a lot of those were calling for Ian Lavery to stand. Apparently Len McCluskey isn't convinced by Long-Bailey either and is trying to get Gardiner to stand (though I don't see how that would help at all at this stage). It will probably come down to Starmer vs Long-Bailey, maybe Nandy. The others pretty much have no chance, Lewis and Thornberry won't get past the first stage from the look of it, Phillips will struggle in the second stage requiring support from the unions and constituency parties.
I'm surprised at that.
The thought of that old windbag Lavery being party leader, let alone PM. 🤣
 

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We're already seeing the early days of the vindictive Tories that people voted for. Voting down to protect child refugees and participation in Erasmus. All part of the plan to take the country backwards.
Fake News.


 

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Well the good thing now is there'll be at least 4 candidates who've made it to the 22 nominations :-

Andrew Neil was going through the candidates yesterday with a quick comment on each one and when he got to Thornberry said in his own style "Emily Thornberry - for the few not the many" .:p;):ROFLMAO:
 

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Andrew Neil was going through the candidates yesterday with a quick comment on each one and when he got to Thornberry said in his own style "Emily Thornberry - for the few not the many" .:p;):ROFLMAO:
:) :) :) :) :)
 

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I'm surprised at that.
The thought of that old windbag Lavery being party leader, let alone PM. 🤣
Starmer having the backing of Unison will be a big deal, they backed Corbyn last time. Starmer is seen as the leftist candidate that actually has more appeal to actually win an election. Unite haven't declared yet, they're expected to support Long-Bailey of course, but initially it was expected all the factions would come out for Long-Bailey like they did Corbyn and it hasn't worked out that way. I have read some accounts how there is unrest how Lansman has forced Long-Bailey as the momentum candidate whereas the supporters actually wanted Lavery, it all gets denied of course, but it's clear Long-Bailey isn't unifying the same factions Corbyn did behind her.

Fake News.


Relies on you giving weight to what the government says, given they have constantly lied, actions speak louder than words and I expect they will just keep making it up as they go along as they have done so far.
 

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Starmer having the backing of Unison will be a big deal, they backed Corbyn last time. Starmer is seen as the leftist candidate that actually has more appeal to actually win an election. Unite haven't declared yet, they're expected to support Long-Bailey of course, but initially it was expected all the factions would come out for Long-Bailey like they did Corbyn and it hasn't worked out that way. I have read some accounts how there is unrest how Lansman has forced Long-Bailey as the momentum candidate whereas the supporters actually wanted Lavery, it all gets denied of course, but it's clear Long-Bailey isn't unifying the same factions Corbyn did behind her.
I agree, Starmer is the most electable as he will appeal to the metropolitan elite type lefite as well as some of the people who switched to the Conservatives. The party didn't seem to care about electability when they installed Corbyn as leader but perhaps reality has finally hit home. Starmer certainly won't frighten the horses in the way Corbyn did but whether he can persuade voters in the north and th Midlands that Labour does now speak for them as well as for woke north London lefties is another matter.

Relies on you giving weight to what the government says, given they have constantly lied, actions speak louder than words and I expect they will just keep making it up as they go along as they have done so far.
I agree, they have to come up with the goods but I can't see why they would want to come out of Erasmus (or at least have an equivalent that was as good). I very much hope they stick to their word on child refugees too. I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt on both for the time being.
 

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So when the government say:

"The government has insisted it remains committed to continuing the academic relationship between the UK and the EU, including through the next Erasmus+ programme if it is in our interests to do so.",
Boris and the government is called vindictive for cancelling the Erasmus programme because apparently when he says he is committed to it something - Boris is a liar and he means the opposite.
:rolleyes::confused:

Actually I have to say a big thank you to all these Remoaner posters and everyone else who just chanted "Boris is a liar" and that the Leave side lied. So much chanting and wild claims with so little sensible discussion on the actual issues. These "liar" claims accompanied by so much vitriol (e.g. people who supported Brexit were racists and liars or too old or "didn't know what they were voting for". I'm sure that this contempt was one of the reasons why the Conservatives won this election by a huge margin.

The last example before the election on the "Boris is a liar" theme was when he said Do or Die he'd get us out the EU by the end of October. It was the Remainer Parliament assisted by a biased Speaker who made the rules up as he went along that blocked it and then claimed Boris is a liar for saying he'd get us out by then.

Do the Remoaner posters here and the MPs who said that take the people for fools? Did they really think that was a good way to fight an election? Do they think the electorate are stupid? The parties that pursued this "Boris is a liar" tack that he didn't get us out the EU by the end of October must be completely deluded about that being a thing to campaign on and take electorate for fools. And if what Boris said was a lie because he was blocked by Parliament then every MP in every party that lost the election lied when they said "We will ..." in their manifesto. And don't now come the excuse that they didn't lie because they weren't elected so couldn't implement their manifestos if you call Boris a liar because the MPs and Speaker blocked Boris.

Boris is now honouring his pledge to "Get Brexit done" and along with his other pledges on NHS, police, education he has made some specific pledges that he will be judged by as opposed to the froth and made-up claims that "he is a liar" by his opponents.
 

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Starmer having the backing of Unison will be a big deal, they backed Corbyn last time. Starmer is seen as the leftist candidate that actually has more appeal to actually win an election. Unite haven't declared yet, they're expected to support Long-Bailey of course, but initially it was expected all the factions would come out for Long-Bailey like they did Corbyn and it hasn't worked out that way. I have read some accounts how there is unrest how Lansman has forced Long-Bailey as the momentum candidate whereas the supporters actually wanted Lavery, it all gets denied of course, but it's clear Long-Bailey isn't unifying the same factions Corbyn did behind her.
Initially I just assumed Starmer would have no chance but there seem to be some Labour members left who want to win elections at some point.And as you say he will be helped enormously if there is some dispute on the left over who succeeds the Prophet Jezza ( tends to happen in most religions/cults tbh).

Though to be fair the defence of St Jezza does mean you get some pretty amusing statements like this one.

 

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Starmer having the backing of Unison will be a big deal, they backed Corbyn last time. Starmer is seen as the leftist candidate that actually has more appeal to actually win an election. Unite haven't declared yet, they're expected to support Long-Bailey of course, but initially it was expected all the factions would come out for Long-Bailey like they did Corbyn and it hasn't worked out that way. I have read some accounts how there is unrest how Lansman has forced Long-Bailey as the momentum candidate whereas the supporters actually wanted Lavery, it all gets denied of course, but it's clear Long-Bailey isn't unifying the same factions Corbyn did behind her.



Relies on you giving weight to what the government says, given they have constantly lied, actions speak louder than words and I expect they will just keep making it up as they go along as they have done so far.
According to the Daily Mail (not the most reliable source I'll grant you) some on the left are uncomfortable with L-B's middle-class lifestyle as she is married to a £100K pa marketing executive and lives in an expensive suburb of Manchester with 'judges, barristers and football stars among her neighbours'. Evidently some Labour activist are 'uncomfortable' with this, or even 'appalled'. Mind you, if they want a leader who lives on a council estate and is struggling to make ends meet they might be in for a long search.

Whether there is any truth in this I don't know. It seems a bit far-fetched given that Starmer owns a London house and co-owns another property which together are reputedly worth over £2million and he is married to a lawyer. In the middle-class lifestyle stakes he sounds as if he knocks R L-B into a cocked hat.
 
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