[Territory]

So a few ATP players are grumbling about women getting paid the same as the men. Newsflash: equal pay is a myth. It doesn't exist. This isn't pointed out very often, but male players are still better paid than women. Here are some stats relating to prizemoney earnings this year (as of August 20, 2012)

Highest earner

Men: Roger Federer $6,023,741
Women: Victoria Azarenka $5,095,643
Tournaments played: Roger - 15, Vika - 13
Difference: Roger has earned 18% more than Vika

Players who have earned over $1 million in singles

Men: 11 players
Women: 9 players
Difference: 22% more male players have earned $1 million in singles

Players who have earned over $1 million in total

Men: 11 players
Women: 10 players
Difference: 10% more male players have earned $1 million in total

10th highest earner

Men: John Isner $1,100,379
Women: Sam Stosur $1,057,242
Difference: Isner has earned 4% more that Sam
Tournaments played: Isner - 20, Stosur - 17

Highest earning doubles-only specialists

Men: Bryan Brothers $570,469 each
Women: Raymond/Huber $381,324 each
Rankings: Bryan Brothers - 3, Raymond/Huber - 1
Tournaments played: Bryan Brothers - 17, Raymond/Huber - 17
Difference: The Bryan brothers have earned 50% more than Raymond/Huber

Doubles-only specialists who have earned over $250,000

Men: 11 players
Women: 2 players
Difference: 450% more male doubles-only specialists have earned over $250,000

Players who have earned over $500,000 in total

Men: 38 players
Women: 27 players
Difference: 41% more male players have earned over $500,000 in total

50th highest earner

Men: Andy Roddick $420,951
Women: Sorana Cirstea $325,138
Tournaments played: Andy - 18, Sorana - 21
Difference: Andy has earned 29% more than Sorana

100th highest earner

Men: Yen-Hsun Lu $227,754
Women: Mandy Minella $164,458
Tournaments played: Lu - 19, Mandy - 23
Difference: Lu has earned 38% more than Mandy

Players who have earned over $100,000 in total

Men: 169 players
Women: 136 players
Difference: 24% more male players have earned over $100,000 in total

200th highest earner

Men: Tom Smyczek $76,993
Women: Kirsten Flipkens $39,087
Tournaments played: Smyczek - 14, Flipkens - 14
Difference: Smyczek has earned 97% more than Flipkens

I could go on but you get the picture. Every way you look at it, male tennis players earn more than female players. Can someone please tell this to male players who want to have a whinge about equal prizemoney?

 

[In The Zone]

Equal prize money only exists at certain events and those are the events they are complaining about - the slams. The overall ATP tour has much higher prize money than the women.

 

[goldenlox]

Those are interesting stats. The Int'ls just dont pay much. You can get to the quarters and only make about $7,000. Which is like 1st round for IW.

The WTA has to bump up prizemoney at Intls & Tier 2's (Premiers).

Even more important, ITF has to raise 25k, 50k, 100k to 100k, 150k, 200k
Most important qualies and early rounds at majors and mandatories are way too low. Its run by 1%ers for 1%ers

 

[mac47]

These stats are useless and irrelevant. Of course Federer earns more than Vika. He wins a higher percentage of matches and makes the semis or better at every slam he enters. And the ATPtop 4 are far more dominant than their WTA equivalents.

 

[KournikovaFan91]

I think its most noticeable down at the bottom end of the scale where WTA players play way more matches and yet still don't have the same earning as mens.

Personally I have no issue with Fed earning more than Vika but really the likes of Roddick/Cirstea, Lu/Minella show that the men moan about the slams but are much more financially better off than the women for the rest of the year.

 

[Territory]

These stats are useless and irrelevant. Of course Federer earns more than Vika. He wins a higher percentage of matches and makes the semis or better at every slam he enters. And the ATPtop 4 are far more dominant than their WTA equivalents.

Um, did you read beyond the first stat? If you did, you will note that I provided a range of stats that cover all levels of players as well as doubles specialists. The fact that they all show men earning more than women is significant.

 

[ptkten]

Unfortunately, these stats kind of prove the what the ATP players have been saying. When the tours go their separate way, the lower tier ATP events earn more revenue and therefore the tournaments are able to offer the men more prize money. The WTA could try to negotiate higher prize money for its players but their hands are kind of tied because the WTA only events don't get the attendance and don't have the tv deals that the lower tier ATP only events do so the tournaments likely wouldn't financially be able to support it.

 

[tejmeglekvár]

Equal prize money only exists at certain events and those are the events they are complaining about - the slams. The overall ATP tour has much higher prize money than the women.

the problem is it would make serious imbalance on the tour.
If a player plays 20 tournaments a year, the slams are only 20% of his calendar.
But with the prize money increase they want, slams would give probably 70-80% of their yearly earning.
And we really love the scenarios when some players already having questionable 1st round loses at slams when they are clearly not match fit. Mr. Stakhovsky also could speak about this...

 

[edificio]

This is no bombshell. If you didn't know this already, you weren't paying attention.

Equal prize money only exists at certain events and those are the events they are complaining about - the slams. The overall ATP tour has much higher prize money than the women.

:yeah:

 

[Mary Cherry.]

50th highest earner

Men: Andy Roddick $420,951
Women: Sorana Cirstea $325,138

How the mighty have fallen

 

[Vincey!]

These stats are useless and irrelevant. Of course Federer earns more than Vika. He wins a higher percentage of matches and makes the semis or better at every slam he enters. And the ATPtop 4 are far more dominant than their WTA equivalents.

Yes the #1 stat is a bit useless but pretty much all the others, specially the last few stats are very relevant. Mens are complaining and threatening the tour while they are paid way more than female. Most players instead of saying that females are paid too much, they say males are underpaid...it's just a gentleman way to say that they think they deserve more money than the females. That's a terrible attitude and this will just lead to more controversy.

 

[Travod]

Some of these stats don't make sense. Like John Isner making more than Sam Stosur - of course he did, he played 3 more events than her. I'd be angry if he didn't make more. And Roger played two more than Azarenka, which is why he got more money.

 

[In The Zone]

Some of these stats don't make sense. Like John Isner making more than Sam Stosur - of course he did, he played 3 more events than her. I'd be angry if he didn't make more. And Roger played two more than Azarenka, which is why he got more money.

That's not why. But cute.

 

[Territory]

Some of these stats don't make sense. Like John Isner making more than Sam Stosur - of course he did, he played 3 more events than her. I'd be angry if he didn't make more. And Roger played two more than Azarenka, which is why he got more money.

I was actually trying to be fair and balanced and included statistics regardless of how well they exemplified my point. Weird concept, I know. :lol:

Surely that makes more sense than trying to make a point with blatantly biased statistics :shrug:

And I know that for some this isn't a bombshell. I was kinda kidding with the "bombshell" bit. But still, there are many that don't realise that women are paid differently to men. Apparently including many professional male tennis players.

 

[mac47]

Unfortunately, these stats kind of prove the what the ATP players have been saying. When the tours go their separate way, the lower tier ATP events earn more revenue and therefore the tournaments are able to offer the men more prize money. The WTA could try to negotiate higher prize money for its players but their hands are kind of tied because the WTA only events don't get the attendance and don't have the tv deals that the lower tier ATP only events do so the tournaments likely wouldn't financially be able to support it.

This.

I'm sorry, but you can't demand that the men's tour hold all events jointly with the women. To do so is to admit that your entertainment product is inferior to theirs in market drawing power.

 

[Territory]

My point not whether certain arguments are better than other. My point is that many arguments are based on an assumption that equal prizemoney exists between male and female players.

Male and female tennis players do not earn equal prizemoney. This should not be an underlying assumption in anyone's argument on the matter.

 

[quenelle]

My point not whether certain arguments are better than other. My point is that many arguments are based on an assumption that equal prizemoney exists between male and female players.

Male and female tennis players do not earn equal prizemoney. This should not be an underlying assumption in anyone's argument on the matter.

I've never ever heard anyone say that ATP and WTA players earn equal prize money in non-joint events or overall throughout the year. Where have you seen/heard anyone make that argument?

 

[n1_and_uh_noone]

Unfortunately, these stats kind of prove the what the ATP players have been saying. When the tours go their separate way, the lower tier ATP events earn more revenue and therefore the tournaments are able to offer the men more prize money. The WTA could try to negotiate higher prize money for its players but their hands are kind of tied because the WTA only events don't get the attendance and don't have the tv deals that the lower tier ATP only events do so the tournaments likely wouldn't financially be able to support it.

Case closed right here. Obviously the ATP players will complain about the joint events which ... surprise, surprise, have the most prize money too, and the WTA is piggy backing off the ATP into.

 

[n1_and_uh_noone]

I've never ever heard anyone say that ATP and WTA players earn equal prize money in non-joint events or overall throughout the year. Where have you seen/heard anyone make that argument?

EXactly. MOst of the arguments I have heard are about Slam events, and I will say that if Simon or STakhovsky ever contended that in a general sense women were paid the same, they are fools.

 

[Wiggly]

That's not why. But cute.

Stosur needs one more win at a Slam to overtake Isner.

The doubles stats isn't accurate as 10 WTA players passed that 250K mark in doubles prize money.
Roberta Vinci earned 677 004$ in Doubles.