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It's interesting how much average serving power amongst the women has increased over the past year. Taking the Wimbledon stats as an example.

Wimbledon 2003
Rank Player Serve Speed MPH km/h


1 S.Williams USA 120 193

2 V.Williams USA 119 191

3 S.Stosur AUS 117 188

4 I.Tulyaganova UZB 115 185

5 J.Henin-Hardenne BEL 114 183

6 E.Baltacha GBR 113 182

6 N.Petrova RUS 113 182

6 J.Capriati USA 113 182

9 J.Vakulenko UKR 112 180

10 A.Parra ESP 111 179

10 A.Molik AUS 111 179

12 K.Clijsters BEL 110 177

13 S.Kuznetsova RUS 109 175

13 E.S.H.Callens BEL 109 175

13 E.Dominikovic AUS 109 175

13 L.Davenport USA 109 175

17 B.Schett AUT 108 174

17 M.Pierce FRA 108 174

19 L.Granville USA 107 172

19 K.Srebotnik SLO 107 172

Wimbledon 2004
1 S.Williams USA 126 203

2 V.Williams USA 122 196

3 N.Petrova RUS 121 195

3 K.Sprem CRO 121 195

5 E.Baltacha GBR 120 193

6 A.Mauresmo FRA 116 187

7 T.Golovin FRA 115 185

7 J.Hopkins USA 115 185

7 M.Shaughnessy USA 115 185

10 M.Sharapova RUS 114 183

10 J.Capriati USA 114 183

12 P.Schnyder SUI 113 182

13 L.Davenport USA 112 180

13 L.Kurhajcova SVK 112 180

15 A.Myskina RUS 111 179

15 L.M.Raymond USA 111 179

15 A. Parra Santonja ESP 111 179

15 A.Keothavong GBR 111 179

19 V.Zvonareva RUS 110 177

19 S.Kuznetsova RUS 110 177

19 D.Hantuchova SVK 110 177

19 E.Dementieva RUS 110 177

19 S.Reeves USA 110 177
Even in the absence of Tulyaganova, Henin and Clijsters, and with players like Molik, Vakulenko and Stosur going out on courts without serve meters, we can see a substantial rise in serve power.

Only 11 players in 2003 got above 110 mph. More than double that number exceeded that speed in 2004.

Five players exceeded 120 mph, which is unheard of. Only one player managed that in 2003.

it seems that a huge serve is becoming a more necessary part of the women's game. Is trhis increased athleticism or racket technology? Perhaps this is why serve "specialists" like Stevenson and Petrova haven't done so well this year. A 110 mph serve is becoming commonplace...
 

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The players said that the speedometers were fucked-up at this year's Wimbledon. So I guess it's because of that....
 

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St.Sebastian said:
The players said that the speedometers were fucked-up at this year's Wimbledon. So I guess it's because of that....
really :eek:
i still think alot of girls were serving better this yr though
 

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Mr_Molik said:
really :eek:
i still think alot of girls were serving better this yr though
Roddick said he was surprised that his serve was 150mph..
Navratilova also said they are not working properly because most of her serves were above 100mph which she said is not true.
Other players noticed that as well...
 

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they probably used the same gun that measured Duck's serve at 153mph :eek:
 

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St.Sebastian said:
The players said that the speedometers were fucked-up at this year's Wimbledon. So I guess it's because of that....
It's hard to believe Wimbledon went through the full 2-week period without calibrating and re-calibrating the guns. They even check the ball bounce on the grass everyday to ensure conformity and uniformity. I would imagine, at least after getting complains about their guns, they would investigate or ask the supplier (IBM) to do so. Unbelievable for such a high profile tournament! :eek:
 

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TennisPower said:
It's hard to believe Wimbledon went through the full 2-week period without calibrating and re-calibrating the guns. They even check the ball bounce on the grass everyday to ensure conformity and uniformity. I would imagine, at least after getting complains about their guns, they would investigate or ask the supplier (IBM) to do so. Unbelievable for such a high profile tournament! :eek:
They probably just reprogrammed the guns this year causing the differences...they'd probably argue that their guns are more accurate than Porsche's and others' and maybe everyone was serving bigger all along :lol:.
 

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19 E.Dementieva RUS 110 177 :) now if only she coudl get that first serve IN
 

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I've read that Wimbledon used 'new' guns that give slightly bigger numbers. Supposedly that's what the tours will use in the near future. Can't remember where I've read it though.
 

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The thing was that the Wimbledon Radar Guns were stolen a few days before hand
so they had to make do with Police Radar Guns instead ;)

hence why there were alot of high readings ;)

lucky they weren't driving :tape:
 

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I find it a bit ridiculous to suppose that all of the Wimbledon radar guns on all six main courts were wrong, and remained wrong throughout the world's premier tournament! It's also surprising, if the results were so wrong, that no "false" world records were set.

So let's look at ACES, also a factor of serve power - and which aren't affected by machine calibration.

Wimbledon 2003
Player Country Matches Aces

1 S.Williams USA 7 ... 37

2 V.Williams USA 7 ... 32

3 S.Kuznetsova RUS 5 ... 21

4 J.Henin-Hardenne BEL 6 ... 20

5 I.Tulyaganova UZB 3 ... 19

5 A.Molik AUS 3 ... 19

7 L.Davenport USA 5 ... 18

7 J.Capriati USA 5 ... 18

9 A.Stevenson USA 1 ...17

10 K.Clijsters BEL 6 ... 16

11 M.Pierce FRA 4 ... 15

11 C.Rubin USA 3 ... 15

13 M.Sharapova RUS 4 ... 14

13 P.Suarez ARG 4 ... 14

13 M.Matevzic SLO 3 ... 14

16 N.Petrova RUS 3 ... 13

17 M.Irvin USA 1 ... 12

18 K.Sprem CRO 2 ... 11

19 L.M.Raymond USA 3 ... 10

19 J.Dokic YUG 3 ... 10
2004 Wimbledon

Player Country Matches Aces

1 S.Williams USA 7 ... 48

2 M.Sharapova RUS 7 ... 36

3 M.Shaughnessy USA 3 ... 34

4 N.Petrova RUS 4 ... 33

5 L.Davenport USA 6 ... 31

6 A.Mauresmo FRA 6 ... 30

7 A.Molik AUS 3 ... 28

8 K.Sprem CRO 5 ... 17

9 V.Zvonareva RUS 4 ...16

10 T.Tanasugarn THA 4 ... 13

11 A.Myskina RUS 3 ... 12

11 S.Kuznetsova RUS 1 ... 12

11 L.M.Raymond USA 2 ... 12

11 A. Parra Santonja ESP 2 ... 12

11 G.Dulko ARG 3 ... 12

11 J.O'Donoghue GBR 2 ... 12

11 J.Capriati USA 5 ... 12

18 E.Webley-Smith GBR 2 ... 11

18 T.Perebiynis UKR 3 ... 11

18 M.Washington USA 2 ... 11
So we see:

No of Aces fired by top twenty servers 2003: 345

No of Aces fired by top twenty servers 2004: 403

This is a 17% increase in aces over the year, which correlates with the serve speed figures.

So I think that kills the non-working speed guns argument!
 

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fammmmedspin said:
Precisely. Sharapova's second serve average can't have been much lower (if at all ) than Graf's first serve speed 5 years ago.
Yes Masha's 2nd serve was averaging around 96 mph - respectable for a top 1st serve a few years ago.
 

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Experimentee said:
I agree that the speedos were wrong this year. Some of those look a bit strange, like Golovin getting 185kph.
Golovin has quite a hard first serve, but she didn't show it in her match against Serena (nerves I guess).
 
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