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Top 100 Athletes of the 20th Century

The top athletes of century as voted by a 16-member panel assembled by The Associated Press, with first place votes in parenthesis, points based on 100 points for a first place vote through one point for a 100th place vote:

No. Athlete (1st place) Pts

1. Babe Ruth (5) 1551
2. Michael Jordan (4) 1524
3. Jim Thorpe (3) 1471
4. Muhammad Ali (2) 1462
5. Wayne Gretzky 1368
6. Jim Brown 1333
7. Joe Louis (1) 1327
8. Jesse Owens 1307
9. Babe Didrikson Zaharias (1) 1254
10. Wilt Chamberlain 1235

11. Willie Mays 1182
12. Jack Nicklaus 1167
13. Ted Williams 1124
14. Ty Cobb 1115
15. Pele 1095
16. Bill Russell 1071
17. Lou Gehrig 1064
18. Hank Aaron 1044
19. Joe DiMaggio 1031
20. Martina Navratilova 1026

21. Carl Lewis 1009
22. Gordie Howe 988
23. Sugar Ray Robinson 949
24. Larry Bird 945
25. Ben Hogan 937
26. Oscar Robertson 929
27. Red Grange 905
28. Walter Payton 882
29. Jackie Robinson 875
30. Rod Laver 863

31. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 837
32. Magic Johnson 835
33. Arnold Palmer 814
34. Sandy Koufax 792
35. Mickey Mantle (tie) 785
35. Mark Spitz 785
37. Joe Montana 772
38. Jack Dempsey 765
39. Bobby Orr 729
40. Jackie Joyner-Kersee 685

41. Billie Jean King 683
42. Walter Johnson 671
43. Sammy Baugh 621
44. Rocky Marciano (tie) 596
44. Johnny Unitas 596
46. Stan Musial 589
47. Bobby Jones 572
48. Rogers Hornsby 567
49. Honus Wagner 560
50. Jerry Rice 552

51. Pete Sampras 550
52. Nadia Comaneci 547
53. Bill Tilden 537
54. Don Hutson 533
55. Chris Evert 509
56. Cy Young 508
57. Julius Erving 488
58. Tiger Woods 483
59. Roger Bannister 471
60. Jerry West 451

61. Rafer Johnson 447
62. Maurice Richard 440
63. Eric Heiden 437
64. Lawrence Taylor 418
65. Jean-Claude Killy 416
66. Edwin Moses 415
67. Nolan Ryan 403
68. Steffi Graf 392
69. Paavo Nurmi 386
70. Bobby Hull 378

71. Bob Mathias 376
72. Christy Mathewson (tie) 371
72. Bronco Nagurski 371
74. Elgin Baylor 353
75. Sam Snead 345
76. Sonja Henie (tie) 344
76. Wilma Rudolph 344
78. Dick Butkus 340
79. Bob Cousy 326
80. Willlie Shoemaker 325

81. Secretariat 311
82. Cal Ripken Jr. 308
83. Althea Gibson 302
84. Mark McGwire 301
85. John McEnroe 300
86. Otto Graham 298
87. O.J. Simpson 294
88. Pete Rose 290
89. Roger Staubach 289
90. Don Budge 266

91. Eddie Arcaro (tie) 262
91. Juan Manuel Fangio 262
93. Henry Armstrong 259
94. Mario Lemieux 250
95. Sugar Ray Leonard 246
96. Mario Andretti 233
97. Emil Zatopek 232
98. Josh Gibson 223
99. Warren Spahn 220
100. Roberto Clemente (tie) 215
100. Bob Gibson 215
 

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Re: Aossicated Press Top 100 Athletes of the 20th Century

most of them are American, and play shite sports, total bollocks. :eek:
 
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As I have said many times before, I dont buy all these lists, different magazines have different order. As far as AP is concerned, Steffi was named the greatest player of the last century, when they made of list of TENNIS players, where all the voters were former tennis players and/or Tennis experts. So they can make many other lists, with different criterias, but Steffi was their greatest tennis player of the last century. PERIOD!
 

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The "Babe" won Gold medals in the 32 Olympics in the 80 meter hurdles, Javelin, and a silver medal in high jump. Later she was able to share the high jump gold. She was a great basketball player and later, a great golfer. She is considered the greatest female athlete of all time.
 

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The "Babe" won Gold medals in the 32 Olympics in the 80 meter hurdles, Javelin, and a silver medal in high jump. Later she was able to share the high jump gold. She was a great basketball player and later, a great golfer. She is considered the greatest female athlete of all time.
As she should be. I am quite sure nobody's ever gonna top her record.
 

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Why isn't Althea Gibson bolded?

Is it me or does it feel that the AP is coming off a bit sexist?

I feel there could be a name of a female basketball player on this list.
The list has taken in consideration post 20th century achievements as well.
Pete Sampras would not be that high on the list if that wasn't the case.

Sitting in a car and driving fast does not make you an athlete.
Half of the country does that every day.
Obviously the AP is playing it safe in terms of the popular sports.
 

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As I have said many times before, I dont buy all these lists, different magazines have different order. As far as AP is concerned, Steffi was named the greatest player of the last century, when they made of list of TENNIS players, where all the voters were former tennis players and/or Tennis experts. So they can make many other lists, with different criterias, but Steffi was their greatest tennis player of the last century. PERIOD!
If there is a record in tennis, chances are Martina Navratilova has broken it. When she defected from Czechoslovakia to the United States in 1975, no one, not even Martina, could have envisioned that she would earn more titles than any player (woman or man) in tennis history.

She was named “Athlete of the Year” numerous times, and even “Female Athlete of the Decade” for the 80’s. In 2000, Navratilova was inducted into the International Tennis Hall Of Fame. She has been named to such millennium lists as AP's "World's Greatest Athletes of the Century", "Sports Illustrated Top 100 Athletes of the Century" and ESPN's "Top 50 Athletes of the Century."
 

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Top 100 Athletes of the 20th Century

The top athletes of century as voted by a 16-member panel assembled by The Associated Press, with first place votes in parenthesis, points based on 100 points for a first place vote through one point for a 100th place vote:

No. Athlete (1st place) Pts

1. Babe Ruth (5) 1551
2. Michael Jordan (4) 1524
3. Jim Thorpe (3) 1471
4. Muhammad Ali (2) 1462
5. Wayne Gretzky 1368
6. Jim Brown 1333
7. Joe Louis (1) 1327
8. Jesse Owens 1307
9. Babe Didrikson Zaharias (1) 1254
10. Wilt Chamberlain 1235

11. Willie Mays 1182
12. Jack Nicklaus 1167
13. Ted Williams 1124
14. Ty Cobb 1115
15. Pele 1095
16. Bill Russell 1071
17. Lou Gehrig 1064
18. Hank Aaron 1044
19. Joe DiMaggio 1031
20. Martina Navratilova 1026

21. Carl Lewis 1009
22. Gordie Howe 988
23. Sugar Ray Robinson 949
24. Larry Bird 945
25. Ben Hogan 937
26. Oscar Robertson 929
27. Red Grange 905
28. Walter Payton 882
29. Jackie Robinson 875
30. Rod Laver 863

31. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 837
32. Magic Johnson 835
33. Arnold Palmer 814
34. Sandy Koufax 792
35. Mickey Mantle (tie) 785
35. Mark Spitz 785
37. Joe Montana 772
38. Jack Dempsey 765
39. Bobby Orr 729
40. Jackie Joyner-Kersee 685

41. Billie Jean King 683
42. Walter Johnson 671
43. Sammy Baugh 621
44. Rocky Marciano (tie) 596
44. Johnny Unitas 596
46. Stan Musial 589
47. Bobby Jones 572
48. Rogers Hornsby 567
49. Honus Wagner 560
50. Jerry Rice 552

51. Pete Sampras 550
52. Nadia Comaneci 547
53. Bill Tilden 537
54. Don Hutson 533
55. Chris Evert 509
56. Cy Young 508
57. Julius Erving 488
58. Tiger Woods 483
59. Roger Bannister 471
60. Jerry West 451

61. Rafer Johnson 447
62. Maurice Richard 440
63. Eric Heiden 437
64. Lawrence Taylor 418
65. Jean-Claude Killy 416
66. Edwin Moses 415
67. Nolan Ryan 403
68. Steffi Graf 392
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Bravo, Steffi!
4th-best from non-English-language countries.
OK, some 47 U.S. citizens are ahead of you ......

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The "Babe" won Gold medals in the 32 Olympics in the 80 meter hurdles, Javelin, and a silver medal in high jump. Later she was able to share the high jump gold. She was a great basketball player and later, a great golfer. She is considered the greatest female athlete of all time.
How many girls did engage themselves in competitive sports seriously back then?
1,500 word-wide or what? Or less?

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but Steffi was their greatest tennis player of the last century. PERIOD!


While Navratilova is widely considered the greatest women's play ever -- if not the greatest player, period -- her accomplishments go far beyond a record 167 singles titles and 18 Grand Slam singles championships. She won a ludicrous 165 doubles titles between 1974 and 1994, including 31 in Grand Slam doubles and seven in mixed doubles. (Greg Gerber ESPN)
 

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While Navratilova is widely considered the greatest women's play ever -- if not the greatest player, period -- her accomplishments go far beyond a record 167 singles titles and 18 Grand Slam singles championships. She won a ludicrous 165 doubles titles between 1974 and 1994, including 31 in Grand Slam doubles and seven in mixed doubles. (Greg Gerber ESPN)
Martina is indeed an outstanding athlete and tennis player - and she happens to be my favourite of all time, too. Having got that out of the way, I agree with those who say these lists are shite - by Amercians for Americans by and large. imo Margaret Court was the best tennis playing woman athlete of her generation (which included BJ King ) and she doesn't even get a mention...
 

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Top 100 Athletes of the 20th Century

The top athletes of century as voted by a 16-member panel assembled by The Associated Press, with first place votes in parenthesis, points based on 100 points for a first place vote through one point for a 100th place vote:

No. Athlete (1st place) Pts

1. Babe Ruth (5) 1551
2. Michael Jordan (4) 1524
3. Jim Thorpe (3) 1471
4. Muhammad Ali (2) 1462
5. Wayne Gretzky 1368
6. Jim Brown 1333
7. Joe Louis (1) 1327
8. Jesse Owens 1307
9. Babe Didrikson Zaharias (1) 1254
10. Wilt Chamberlain 1235

11. Willie Mays 1182
12. Jack Nicklaus 1167
13. Ted Williams 1124
14. Ty Cobb 1115
15. Pele 1095
16. Bill Russell 1071
17. Lou Gehrig 1064
18. Hank Aaron 1044
19. Joe DiMaggio 1031
20. Martina Navratilova 1026

21. Carl Lewis 1009
22. Gordie Howe 988
23. Sugar Ray Robinson 949
24. Larry Bird 945
25. Ben Hogan 937
26. Oscar Robertson 929
27. Red Grange 905
28. Walter Payton 882
29. Jackie Robinson 875
30. Rod Laver 863

31. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 837
32. Magic Johnson 835
33. Arnold Palmer 814
34. Sandy Koufax 792
35. Mickey Mantle (tie) 785
35. Mark Spitz 785
37. Joe Montana 772
38. Jack Dempsey 765
39. Bobby Orr 729
40. Jackie Joyner-Kersee 685

41. Billie Jean King 683
42. Walter Johnson 671
43. Sammy Baugh 621
44. Rocky Marciano (tie) 596
44. Johnny Unitas 596
46. Stan Musial 589
47. Bobby Jones 572
48. Rogers Hornsby 567
49. Honus Wagner 560
50. Jerry Rice 552

51. Pete Sampras 550
52. Nadia Comaneci 547
53. Bill Tilden 537
54. Don Hutson 533
55. Chris Evert 509
56. Cy Young 508
57. Julius Erving 488
58. Tiger Woods 483
59. Roger Bannister 471
60. Jerry West 451

61. Rafer Johnson 447
62. Maurice Richard 440
63. Eric Heiden 437
64. Lawrence Taylor 418
65. Jean-Claude Killy 416
66. Edwin Moses 415
67. Nolan Ryan 403
68. Steffi Graf 392
69. Paavo Nurmi 386
70. Bobby Hull 378

71. Bob Mathias 376
72. Christy Mathewson (tie) 371
72. Bronco Nagurski 371
74. Elgin Baylor 353
75. Sam Snead 345
76. Sonja Henie (tie) 344
76. Wilma Rudolph 344
78. Dick Butkus 340
79. Bob Cousy 326
80. Willlie Shoemaker 325

81. Secretariat 311
82. Cal Ripken Jr. 308
83. Althea Gibson 302
84. Mark McGwire 301
85. John McEnroe 300
86. Otto Graham 298
87. O.J. Simpson 294
88. Pete Rose 290
89. Roger Staubach 289
90. Don Budge 266

91. Eddie Arcaro (tie) 262
91. Juan Manuel Fangio 262
93. Henry Armstrong 259
94. Mario Lemieux 250
95. Sugar Ray Leonard 246
96. Mario Andretti 233
97. Emil Zatopek 232
98. Josh Gibson 223
99. Warren Spahn 220
100. Roberto Clemente (tie) 215
100. Bob Gibson 215

This list provoke and produce strong antiamericanism here... moderators - please, close this thread expressed! :devil:
 

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that's the stupidististist ranking EVER.

Eddy Merckx. Never heard of? :rolleyes:

No, he's not from the U.S.!
Bad luck for Eddy .......

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While Navratilova is widely considered the greatest women's play ever -- if not the greatest player, period -- her accomplishments go far beyond a record 167 singles titles and 18 Grand Slam singles championships. She won a ludicrous 165 doubles titles between 1974 and 1994, including 31 in Grand Slam doubles and seven in mixed doubles. (Greg Gerber ESPN)
Greg who??

OK how about this

Steffi Graf was the most talented Tennis player of all times. She gets my vote as the greatest female tennis player ever (Jon Werthiem CNNSI)
:shrug:

Or how about
"Steffi is the greatest" (My Grandma) :lol::lol:
 
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