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In the last eight years, no one who's won Rome went on to win Rolland Garros. Here's a look at the last seven (which includes all the current players less Rafter).

1997 Foro Italico
Alex Corretja (ESP) 7 7 6
d Marcelo Rios (CHI) 5 5 3
FO champ: Guga
Guga did not play Rome.
Alex lost in the quarters of RG.

1998 Foro Italico
Marcelo Rios (CHI) 3 WO
Alberto Costa (ESP) –
FO champ: Moya
Moya lost 3rd rd. of Rome
Rios lost 2nd rd. of RG

1999 Foro Italico
Gustavo Kuerten (BRA) 6 7 7
d Patrick Rafter (AUS) 4 5 6
FO champ: Agassi
Agassi lost 3rd rd. of Rome
Guga lost in the quarters of RG.

2000 Foro Italico
Magnus Norman (SWE) 6 4 6 6
d Gustavo Kuerten (BRA) 3 6 4 4
FO champ: Guga
As it states, Guga lost the final of Rome in 4.
Magnus lost in the finals of RG to Guga.

2001 Foro Italico
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) 3 6 2 6 6
d Gustavo Kuerten (BRA) 6 1 6 4 2
FO champ: Guga
As it states, Guga lost the final of Romein 5 tough sets.
JC lost in the semis of RG to Guga.

2002 Foro Italico
Andre Agassi (USA) 6 6 6
d Tommy Haas (GER) 3 3 0
FO champ: Costa
Costa lost in the quarters of Rome
Agassi lost in the quarters of RG

The last person to win Rome and RG was Thomas Muster in 1995.

Statistical Analysis:
1)If you lose in the 3rd round or lower, you have the opportunity to win RG.
2)If you win Rome, you will get to the quarters and lose.
3)If you win Roland Garros this year, you will lose in Rome the next year.

So...
1)Agassi has the opportunity to win RG. Hope that your fav (Federer? Mosquito? Guga? Moya? Marat?) loses in the next two rounds. My RG dark horse: Magnus Norman will get far (but not win) RG.

2)Agassi won Rome last year, thus in keeping with tradition had to lose this year.

3)If you win RG this year, who cares if you don't win Rome next year? Better opportunity to win RG in successive years ;)
 

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Rebecca said:
Aside from the errors, thanks for the list, it was interesting enough. Though, in comparison, how many MC and Hamburg winners have gone on to win RG in recent times?

I know that Moya in '98 won MC, as did Guga in '00 or '01 (which was it?)... but either than that I don't have a recent winners list off the top of my head.
Errr. It took an hour to compile that list and you're making me continue to procrastinate on more important things...

:happily goes cruching more statistical numbers: :)
 

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Becca, I've made the corrections. Thanks:wavey:
 

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that's just random statistic, one that was much stronger in the WTA, until Serena broke the supposed "curse" last year by winning both Rome and Paris... Interesting to note that Agassi was probably counting on a good showing in Rome and not playing Hamburg at all, but he might have to change plans in order to get a proper warm-up for RG....
 

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Monique said:
that's just random statistic
"Random statistic" is an oxymoron.

one that was much stronger in the WTA, until Serena broke the supposed "curse" last year by winning both Rome and Paris...
That makes Serena a statistical anomaly.

Interesting to note that Agassi was probably counting on a good showing in Rome and not playing Hamburg at all, but he might have to change plans in order to get a proper warm-up for RG....
But, by the numbers, not doing well at Rome is "ok".
 

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Rebecca said:
Aside from the errors, thanks for the list, it was interesting enough. Though, in comparison, how many MC and Hamburg winners have gone on to win RG in recent times?

I know that Moya in '98 won MC, as did Guga in '00 or '01 (which was it?)... but either than that I don't have a recent winners list off the top of my head.
Guga won MC in 99 and 01.
 

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*Updated due to Guga's shocking early loss at Rome*

(This is a good thing, statistically, for his FO bid)
 

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Tennis Fool said:
*Updated due to Guga's shocking early loss at Rome*

(This is a good thing, statistically, for his FO bid)

Gaudio has better clay court result than Guga this year. Actually, lots of players have better clay court result than Guga. So, can't say it's shocking.
 

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Bruguera won MC in 1993 as well as RG
 

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*Updated due to Felix Mantilla (???) winning Rome over Roger Federer.*

This means that all the losers of Rome: Roger, JC, Moya and Agassi have the opportunity to win RG.
 

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I bet Mantilla has a shot, though. It must surely give heart to someone like Corretja that Mantilla, who is probably the most similar Spaniard to him in style of game, can still win a TMS title at age 28.
 

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Felix is a real gem on clay and really tough to beat.
iron man with a strong heart.

I rate him just as highly as Corretja and Costa on the red stuff.
 

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Hendouble said:
BTW, Carlos and Moya are the same person as far as I recall...
Sorry, typing too fast. I meant Juan Carlos...
 

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TheBoiledEgg said:
Felix is a real gem on clay and really tough to beat.
iron man with a strong heart.

I rate him just as highly as Corretja and Costa on the red stuff.
So, why hasn't he even come close to winning RG previously?

Also C&C are MIA this season.
 
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