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Sep 11th, 2019 05:21 PM
vogus_emeritus
Re: Why winning IW is a good precursor of USO performance?

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Originally Posted by ServiceGagnant View Post

Somehow these follow up results in USO are quite convincing in retrospective, even considering that Serena was out of the equation during her absent years in IW.

Is it only a coincidence, or something about the court/weather that is correlated between the two results in these two tournaments?

Is there any similar (or even, better) cases?


2 years doesn't equal a trend, and none of the pre-2018 results you cited are out of the ordinary given that USO and IW are both hardcourt events where the whole tour is entered.

i'm guessing (without researching it) that if you go back over 30 years, there's a closer correlation to Key Biscayne and USO than with IW and USO, as KB was always the more important event. Until Konta in '017, KB had never had any second-tier champion in the 35-year history of the tournie.
Sep 11th, 2019 03:46 PM
HenryMag.
Re: Why winning IW is a good precursor of USO performance?

2009 Zvonareva vs Pennetta was at infamous R16, not R64.

Also 2017 should be R32 not R64.
Sep 11th, 2019 02:01 AM
HuHu
Re: Why winning IW is a good precursor of USO performance?

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Originally Posted by Raiden View Post
The US Open has gotten slower and slower and slower to the point that it has surpassed Indian Wells.
Serving stats from ATP don't support that theory. According to it, US Open plays pretty much the same for last 15 years. Any significant change in environment would move the numbers in either direction, just like in Australian Open's case where they decided to speed things up a bit recently and players are consistently winning around 3 % more points on first serve compared to early Plexicushion years (2008+).



Sep 10th, 2019 05:12 PM
Sorana
Re: Why winning IW is a good precursor of USO performance?

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Originally Posted by ServiceGagnant View Post
2010 Jelena Jankovic: R16, lost to Kanepi
USO goat even since 2010
Sep 10th, 2019 05:02 PM
Djo-Coeur
Re: Why winning IW is a good precursor of USO performance?

A better precursor of USO performance is to be unbeaten against the Top 10 and having the best win loss percentage of all the WTA this year.
Sep 10th, 2019 04:21 PM
Peverell
Re: Why winning IW is a good precursor of USO performance?

In 2005 and 2006 Clijsters and Sharapova won both events. Serena as well in 1999.
Sep 10th, 2019 04:08 PM
Raiden
Re: Why winning IW is a good precursor of USO performance?

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Originally Posted by HuHu View Post
IW
- dry desert climate
- surface: Plexipave IW (slow high-bouncing)
- balls: Penn Tour

US Open
- humid climate
- surface: Decoturf II (medium-paced)
- balls: Wilson US Open

There are no similarities. Conditions in IW are generally very unique for a hard court tournament.
That is extremely outdated information (it is "medium" in name only).

The US Open has gotten slower and slower and slower to the point that it has surpassed Indian Wells. Did you see any of Nadal's matches? He was literally glued to the backboard/wall/physical edge of the court, right where the ballboys and line judges and USTA crowd control security were lined up. That's because the bounce has become nearly clay court level now.

Sep 10th, 2019 01:20 PM
HuHu
Re: Why winning IW is a good precursor of USO performance?

IW
- dry desert climate
- surface: Plexipave IW (slow high-bouncing)
- balls: Penn Tour

US Open
- humid climate
- surface: Decoturf II (medium-paced)
- balls: Wilson US Open

There are no similarities. Conditions in IW are generally very unique for a hard court tournament.
Sep 10th, 2019 01:05 PM
goldenlox
Re: Why winning IW is a good precursor of USO performance?

Its only the last 2 years when the IW winner won NY
It used to be people said slam winners win Miami. Then Radwanska and Konta won. But Stephens and Barty won majors.
I think the only coincidence is that you have to be near the top to win IW, except for Vesnina, who really zoned that tournament and was very good in pressure moments in a close final with Kuznetsova
Vesnina was like Puig winning the Olympics. Really unusual for them to play that many good matches against good player s in a row
Sep 10th, 2019 12:32 PM
Oladesuo Hmmm...interesting. It was the results of Naomi and now Bianca that brought this to my attention as well.
Sep 10th, 2019 12:29 PM
ServiceGagnant
Why winning IW is a good precursor of USO performance?

Cant help to see how the previous victors of IW managed in the following USO that same year and here's the result

2009 Vera Zvonareva: R64 lost to QFist and future champion, Pennetta
2010 Jelena Jankovic: R16, lost to Kanepi
2011 Caroline Wozniacki: SF, lost to Serena
2012 Victoria Azarenka: F, lost to Serena
2013 Maria Sharapova: DNP
2014 Flavia Pennetta: QF, lost to Serena
2015 Simona Halep: SF, lost to Serena
2016 Victoria Azarenka: KNO(cked up)
2017 Elena Vesnina: R64, lost in 3 sets to eventual finalist, Keys
2018 Naomi Osaka: Winner
2019 Bianca Andreescu: Winner

Somehow these follow up results in USO are quite convincing in retrospective, even considering that Serena was out of the equation during her absent years in IW.

Is it only a coincidence, or something about the court/weather that is correlated between the two results in these two tournaments?

Is there any similar (or even, better) cases?

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