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Jun 20th, 2019 04:35 PM
A131
Re: Wimbledon GS 2000 WC (1st Batch) Announced

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Originally Posted by Nicky91 View Post
it's known that wildcards usually go to players from the country where the slam is being held too

like AO = quite some aussie talent

FO - quite some French talented players

wimbledon - newer generation british players, and a familiar face between them and now that is Heather watson i guess

USO - we will probably get there newer generation american players
Yes we know what usually happens Nick and whether they are talented or not can be subjective and nor is it the point. Just because it maybe what usually happens shouldn't stop anyone questioning it or, god forbid, suggesting that they should be scrapped, drastically reduced, or the very least having the whole system reviewed.
Jun 20th, 2019 04:05 PM
Sliding Clayer
Re: Wimbledon GS 2000 WC (1st Batch) Announced

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Originally Posted by joeh37 View Post
Maybe you should also learn to read properly (a weak comeback) your post was basically advocating for Lisicki to be given a wildcard forever more. Perhaps Wildcards should be abolished. I never even questioned the worthiness of British wildcards, just said that Lisicki would be a worse choice. Calling Watson a journeyman nowadays is laughable when you're claiming a woman ranked 299 who has won two matches this year is more worthy than someone only 4 out of the MD cut (who would make it if we did indeed abolish WCs)

Lisiscki is a freeloader she has WC after WC handed to her all over the world, it's ridiculous on what is basically a player who is done. By your logic she should be given one every year based on what she once was (which wasn't even THAT good anyway).
your post was basically advocating for Lisicki to be given a wildcard forever more


Let me clear this up for you so there's no ambiguity - no I fucking wasn't

I don't think any player should be given them, I was comparing the validity of giving British nobodies a MD wildcard who have never done anything at Wimbledon, to a player who at least in the tournament in which she has been handed one, has been to the final before, yet been demoted to a QF WC. The tournaments this year in which Sabine has been given wc's, I also don't think she should have been handed the freebies, but if she must be, it should at the very least be because she has past history there, i.e. a win/finalist.

Watson is not worthy on the basis she's never done anything at Wimbledon, she's never cracked the top 30 and there a lot more worthy players (if you must have WC's) than here on the basis of primarily, past history at the tournament in which a wc has been given.

If you go back through the history of British wildcards at SW19 and look at the results, you will see not a single one has made it to round 4 in that year in which they were given them, in over 20 years , if that's not justification for scrapping them then I don't know what is, waste of time.
Jun 20th, 2019 03:07 PM
Rob & Stephen
Re: Wimbledon GS 2000 WC (1st Batch) Announced

The play-offs for the last two qualifying wild cards have started at Aorangi Park.

https://lta.tournamentsoftware.com/s...FADB2D4&draw=2

(1) Naomi Broady vs Sasha Hill (WC)
Amelia Rajecki (WC) vs Emily Appleton
Victoria Allen vs Alice Gillan
Matilda Mutavdzic (WC) vs Eden Silva (3)
(2) Sam Murray vs Sonay Kartal (WC)
Emily Webley-Smith vs Freya Christie
Destinee Martins (WC) vs Beth Grey
Alicia Barnett vs Tara Moore (4)

Webley-Smith has already beaten Christie.
Jun 20th, 2019 02:50 PM
spiceboy
Re: Wimbledon GS 2000 WC (1st Batch) Announced

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Originally Posted by pesto View Post
If they go with 5 "next ins", Dart, Swan and Ilkley winner (if not Rybarikova, Linette or Jorovic), both Heather and Iga and the next two on the list, Jakupovic and Zhu, would be in anyway, and that's assuming no withdrawals.
Zhu lost today 61 60 vs Babos in Ilkley
Zhu lost 63 63 vs Broady in Manchester
Zhu lost 62 62 vs McNally in Surbiton
Zhu lost 61 61 vs Begu in RG
Zhu lost 60 61 vs Sabalenka in Strasbourg

If 25 yo Zhu gets a MDWC at Wimbledon I'm done with this joke
Jun 20th, 2019 01:32 PM
Latvian Swan just wasted 5-0 lead with 3 MPs in 3rd set against Smitkova
Jun 20th, 2019 01:14 PM
danieln1
Re: Wimbledon GS 2000 WC (1st Batch) Announced

Lisucki

Deserved.
Jun 20th, 2019 12:40 PM
Potapovian
Re: Wimbledon GS 2000 WC (1st Batch) Announced

Come on Lisicki is bad, maybe even terrible but she's always been very good on Wimbledon, QWC really doesn't hurt anyone
Jun 20th, 2019 11:50 AM
ROSAMUND
Re: Wimbledon GS 2000 WC (1st Batch) Announced

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Originally Posted by Youmustbetrippin View Post
I'm so sick of Swan getting a Top 180 ranking gifted just by this UK WCs every year.

Rather give Robson one so she gets some $$
It is a long time ago that Laura Robson merited any wild cards. Fortunately it is forgotten that after her wrists problems of 2013, the only player she ever beat in a main WTA draw was an unranked Moroccan girl.
Jun 20th, 2019 11:43 AM
Nicky91
Re: Wimbledon GS 2000 WC (1st Batch) Announced

it's known that wildcards usually go to players from the country where the slam is being held too

like AO = quite some aussie talent

FO - quite some French talented players

wimbledon - newer generation british players, and a familiar face between them and now that is Heather watson i guess

USO - we will probably get there newer generation american players
Jun 20th, 2019 11:42 AM
joeh37
Re: Wimbledon GS 2000 WC (1st Batch) Announced

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Originally Posted by Sliding Clayer View Post
Please learn to read properly, my posts states that a) I think the British wildcards are pointless and underserving which followed on to b) if you must hand them out then Lisicki would be more worthy of a wildcard than those pointless underserving brits which is 100% correct, does not matter one iota if Lisicki had one final 6 years ago, she's still done far far more there and in her career than the freeloading young british players, and the Watson, that's a fact. Yet Sabine goes into qualifying instead. Not sure why so many liked your post, maybe they can't read either.
Maybe you should also learn to read properly (a weak comeback) your post was basically advocating for Lisicki to be given a wildcard forever more. Perhaps Wildcards should be abolished. I never even questioned the worthiness of British wildcards, just said that Lisicki would be a worse choice. Calling Watson a journeyman nowadays is laughable when you're claiming a woman ranked 299 who has won two matches this year is more worthy than someone only 4 out of the MD cut (who would make it if we did indeed abolish WCs)

Lisiscki is a freeloader she has WC after WC handed to her all over the world, it's ridiculous on what is basically a player who is done. By your logic she should be given one every year based on what she once was (which wasn't even THAT good anyway).
Jun 20th, 2019 10:48 AM
Sliding Clayer
Re: Wimbledon GS 2000 WC (1st Batch) Announced

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Originally Posted by joeh37 View Post
WHAT!?! You're deluded. She's won one match all year against Ellen Perez. How is that more deserving than Harriet Dart who qualified for AO or Katie Swan who just beat a top 100 player. Swiatek is firmly in top 100 at aged 18! Plus her and Watson are literally the next two in anyway. So even if you abandoned freebie culture they would still be in main draw!

How is one good run at Wimbledon 6 years ago worth a lifetime of wildcards?
Please learn to read properly, my posts states that a) I think the British wildcards are pointless and underserving which followed on to b) if you must hand them out then Lisicki would be more worthy of a wildcard than those pointless underserving brits which is 100% correct, does not matter one iota if Lisicki had one final 6 years ago, she's still done far far more there and in her career than the freeloading young british players, and the Watson, that's a fact. Yet Sabine goes into qualifying instead. Not sure why so many liked your post, maybe they can't read either.
Jun 20th, 2019 10:38 AM
gold fangs
Re: Wimbledon GS 2000 WC (1st Batch) Announced

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Originally Posted by A131 View Post
'Real shame that Rybakina wasn't rewarded for her 's-Hertogenbosch run. People think Wimbledon rewards grass form but what they actually do is reward commitment to British grass tournaments - I don't think 's-Hertogenbosch performance has ever counted for anything, unfortunately.'

Just another example of how unfair they are - or can be? In the current live rankings she is now ranked higher than any of our girls outside of Konta.
Yes. Wimbledon is by far the most fair, globally-minded GS when it comes to WCs but it's not perfect.

Way, way better than the other three though. The USO is the only one left that doesn't acknowledge its junior champions. (Although I now suspect that RG giving Gauff a QWC was less about setting a precedent and more about Gauff's powerful team.)

People talking about profit are missing the point. Tashkent or Charleston or Nottingham might need a local, no matter how out of place, to shift a few tickets, but the GRAND SLAMS are going to sell out and get acres of press regardless of whether Katy Dunne or even Sabine Lisicki is in the draw.

IMO WCs should be either to reward past accomplishments, present form or future potential - and no player should ever get more than two per calendar year or more than two years in a row.
Jun 20th, 2019 10:00 AM
A131
Re: Wimbledon GS 2000 WC (1st Batch) Announced

'Real shame that Rybakina wasn't rewarded for her 's-Hertogenbosch run. People think Wimbledon rewards grass form but what they actually do is reward commitment to British grass tournaments - I don't think 's-Hertogenbosch performance has ever counted for anything, unfortunately.'

Just another example of how unfair they are - or can be? In the current live rankings she is now ranked higher than any of our girls outside of Konta.
Jun 20th, 2019 09:07 AM
gold fangs
Re: Wimbledon GS 2000 WC (1st Batch) Announced

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Originally Posted by StephenUK View Post
I don't see what is wrong with any of these wild cards when you compare them to the ones in the other slams. Swiatek is the junior champion and would be top seed in the qualies. Watson, Swan and Dart are all capable of beating top 100 players and are all ranked above any of the RG wild cards.

The four to be announced:
1. Ilkley winner should get one if she is not in the main draw.
2. The fact that Boulter has not got one yet means that it is only 50-50 that she can play at Wimbledon because she would definitely have got one otherwise.
3-4. I am not really sure who else they are hanging back for:
i. Is Burrage definitely out for Wimbledon or are they waiting for the last chance in case she is fit?
ii. Bains. I am pretty sure if Boulter is not fit for Wimbledon, they will give a WC to Bains. I just cannot see them giving 4 next in WCs if there are Brits in the top 300 without them.
iii. Further withdrawals by this weekend could mean that Watson or Swiatek could get in main draw or effectively become 'next in' WCs.
iv. Who else could be in line for a MDWC? Can you see them upgrading Dunne, Lumsden, Jones or Raducanu?
Possible Ilkley winner aside, Kristyna Pliskova is making the best new case this week. Top 3 win, has played well on grass historically, only just outside the cut. Another win in Birmingham would seal it, I think, but a QF might even be enough.

Badosa is still alive in Mallorca, too, though it's unlikely she goes far enough to get on the WC radar.

Real shame that Rybakina wasn't rewarded for her 's-Hertogenbosch run. People think Wimbledon rewards grass form but what they actually do is reward commitment to British grass tournaments - I don't think 's-Hertogenbosch performance has ever counted for anything, unfortunately.

Dunne, Jones and Raducanu aren't in action this week so I don't see how their circumstances would change. Lumsden, if anything, put herself further out of contention by losing to someone playing their first ever match on grass.
Jun 20th, 2019 02:03 AM
ziggy2shus3
Re: Wimbledon GS 2000 WC (1st Batch) Announced

We need to end this freebie culture anyway.[/QUOTE]
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The great Bjorn Borg couldn't get into Wimbledon main draw because they had no main draw WCs.
The winner of 5 championship trophies at Wimbledon had cut back his playing and didn't have enough points to get into the main draw, so he would have had to play the qualies.
The Wimbledon bosses got a ton of bad press from the other tennis stars, so now you have WCs.
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