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May 22nd, 2019 02:53 AM
BlueTrees
Re: Azarenka: Pregnant? I thought my career was over!

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Originally Posted by Greco View Post
And now she is doubles specialist, queen!
Barty carries her. Once she gets dumped for someone better we'll see how she fares.
May 22nd, 2019 12:59 AM
KCatty
Re: Azarenka: Pregnant? I thought my career was over!

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Originally Posted by Javi View Post
I can’t believe the stupidity of some posters taking abortion so lightly like if it was the same that a medical routine check
I can't believe the assumptions within this statement. For some people, that is a difficult or even gut renching decision. For others, it is not that big of a deal.
May 21st, 2019 10:30 PM
Daydreamer
Re: Azarenka: Pregnant? I thought my career was over!

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Originally Posted by Sinead94 View Post
I see where you're coming from, but I don't agree. I mean what about people who get injured? What about those who get ill? Being a tennis player doesn't prevent you being a mother. As previously said, a career in tennis is very short. So, 1. you have plenty of time to start a family once you've retired. And if you want a child and come back to competition, this is also possible. 2. As Azarenka, Clijster, and others have shown you can have children and then come back. However, obviously, there are setbacks and consequences.

Besides, being a tennis player is like being a freelancer. You don't work, you don't get paid. Also, considering that motherhood is your choice, I'm not sure where is the unfairness there.

Yes, having an abortion isn't a routine medical check, but so is having a child. In any case, I'm just being pragmatic. If your focus is on your career and having a child while you're still an active player could have a negative impact, 3. wouldn't it make sense to wait and have a child later on?

I know people will disagree with me, but I don't thing you can really compare being a professional tennis player to having a regular job and that you can apply the same rule. Like for example, 4. if a player gets pregnant, what happen to her trainers? Doesn't that live them virtually unemployed?

By the way, I think players can do whatever they want, but if you do something that will make your career harder, 5. don't come and complain about it.
1. Chances of pregnancy reduce drastically after you reach 30. So, no there isn't plenty of time especially when players tend to play longer now.
2. Yes, and I'm saying that it's good that there are measures in place to reduce some of the obstacles to a comeback eg. extension to the period that they can have a protected ranking.
3. People have their own reasons for having children at whatever age. You're expecting them to prioritise tennis above all else. It's their prerogative to choose when in their career to have children and yes, they need to and do face the consequences of that. My problem here is that you are going out of your way to point out that it's seemingly ludicrous reason that women are having children at a time where it might disrupt their careers.
4. Shame on them for not delaying pregnancy so that the trainers etc can stay employed
5. Maybe you should actually watch the clip rather than make assumptions based on what you think she said. She was saying she was very lucky and in a privileged position - more so than most. She wasn't complaining about it.
May 21st, 2019 09:43 PM
Iblis
Re: Azarenka: Pregnant? I thought my career was over!

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Originally Posted by Sinead94 View Post
Like for example, if a player gets pregnant, what happen to her trainers? Doesn't that live them virtually unemployed?
I don't know if this should make me laugh or cry.
May 21st, 2019 04:11 PM
Sinead94
Re: Azarenka: Pregnant? I thought my career was over!

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Originally Posted by Oladesuo View Post
This is a silly comment.
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Originally Posted by Daydreamer View Post
You say that so callously like it's not a big deal but there is an emotional impact in making that decision. It's not like returning a pair of jeans. It is (or, depending on where you live should be) a choice - she should not be judged for not having one, just as she should not be judged if she did have one.

Yes, Vika and other mothers on tour need to deal with the consequences of motherhood after having made the decision to have children. But motherhood in shouldn't in itself be tantamount to career death.

As someone who has made the effort to post in a forum about women's tennis, you'd think reducing barriers for return to work would be a good thing.
I see where you're coming from, but I don't agree. I mean what about people who get injured? What about those who get ill? Being a tennis player doesn't prevent you being a mother. As previously said, a career in tennis is very short. So, you have plenty of time to start a family once you've retired. And if you want a child and come back to competition, this is also possible. As Azarenka, Clijster, and others have shown you can have children and then come back. However, obviously, there are setbacks and consequences.

Besides, being a tennis player is like being a freelancer. You don't work, you don't get paid. Also, considering that motherhood is your choice, I'm not sure where is the unfairness there.

Yes, having an abortion isn't a routine medical check, but so is having a child. In any case, I'm just being pragmatic. If your focus is on your career and having a child while you're still an active player could have a negative impact, wouldn't it make sense to wait and have a child later on?

I know people will disagree with me, but I don't thing you can really compare being a professional tennis player to having a regular job and that you can apply the same rule. Like for example, if a player gets pregnant, what happen to her trainers? Doesn't that live them virtually unemployed?

By the way, I think players can do whatever they want, but if you do something that will make your career harder, don't come and complain about it.
May 21st, 2019 02:54 PM
Javi
Re: Azarenka: Pregnant? I thought my career was over!

I can’t believe the stupidity of some posters taking abortion so lightly like if it was the same that a medical routine check
May 21st, 2019 11:32 AM
Greco
Re: Azarenka: Pregnant? I thought my career was over!

And now she is doubles specialist, queen!
May 21st, 2019 09:05 AM
Daydreamer
Re: Azarenka: Pregnant? I thought my career was over!

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Originally Posted by Sinead94 View Post
I get that. But at the end of the day, we all have to make choices and all our decisions have consequences. Life isn't some sort of fairytale that bends to our wishes. If you know that getting pregnant would be damaging to your career and lessen your money stream while you're still playing, you have the choice to wait for kids after you've retired. Honestly, most tennis player are done when they get to their 30s. So, it's not a long wait.

In Vika's case, she got pregnant, a thing she hadn't planned. It happens. However, she could have easily have an abortion this time, knowing how it could affect her career. Even if she didn't have all the drama with her boyfriend. Having a baby when you're a world-class athlete prone to injury isn't exactly a good idea.
You say that so callously like it's not a big deal but there is an emotional impact in making that decision. It's not like returning a pair of jeans. It is (or, depending on where you live should be) a choice - she should not be judged for not having one, just as she should not be judged if she did have one.

Yes, Vika and other mothers on tour need to deal with the consequences of motherhood after having made the decision to have children. But motherhood in shouldn't in itself be tantamount to career death.

As someone who has made the effort to post in a forum about women's tennis, you'd think reducing barriers for return to work would be a good thing.
May 21st, 2019 08:31 AM
Sinead94
Re: Azarenka: Pregnant? I thought my career was over!

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Originally Posted by Oladesuo View Post
This is a silly comment.
I don't see what's silly about what I said. You can't control an injury. However, there are means to prevent pregnancy and in the event, you do get pregnant, you can terminate the pregnancy.

Obviously, some people are anti-abortion. Who knows? Maybe for religious or personal reasons, Vika didn't want to go that route. Nonetheless, it is a route that is available.
May 21st, 2019 08:24 AM
Sinead94
Re: Azarenka: Pregnant? I thought my career was over!

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Originally Posted by KCatty View Post
The bulk of top players' pay is endorsements. You don't play, they don't pay. See recent NYT article about Nike and other sports. Vika went from being a jewel in the Nike stable to wearing scrub kits and playing with a blacked our racquet.
I get that. But at the end of the day, we all have to make choices and all our decisions have consequences. Life isn't some sort of fairytale that bends to our wishes. If you know that getting pregnant would be damaging to your career and lessen your money stream while you're still playing, you have the choice to wait for kids after you've retired. Honestly, most tennis player are done when they get to their 30s. So, it's not a long wait.

In Vika's case, she got pregnant, a thing she hadn't planned. It happens. However, she could have easily have an abortion this time, knowing how it could affect her career. Even if she didn't have all the drama with her boyfriend. Having a baby when you're a world-class athlete prone to injury isn't exactly a good idea.
May 21st, 2019 04:23 AM
KCatty
Re: Azarenka: Pregnant? I thought my career was over!

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Originally Posted by WhistleCleaner View Post
Why do tennis players need a defined period of maternity leave? Are they to receive maternity pay? If so, from whom? Aren't they freelance? Who insisted Azarenka came back when she did? She wasn't contractually obliged and could afford to have as much time off as she wanted. If a player wants to come back a week after birth or 3 years, it's up to them as they do not have normal employment contracts with defined annual leave, maternity leave, sick leave etc. And they don't need them. So what exactly has martyr Azarenka been martyring herself for exactly behind the scenes?
The bulk of top players' pay is endorsements. You don't play, they don't pay. See recent NYT article about Nike and other sports. Vika went from being a jewel in the Nike stable to wearing scrub kits and playing with a blacked our racquet.
May 21st, 2019 02:32 AM
Infiniti2001
Re: Azarenka: Pregnant? I thought my career was over!

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Originally Posted by Cam'ron Giles View Post
Wow....How disgusting...You wanna google Serena's complications? You think all the money she's got could have prevented what she went through? and you've never played tennis at a world class level so how do you know what they go through trying to get back into the game six months after giving birth...OH BTW, If you are a female you're vagina is ashamed of you...i'm just saying...
My thoughts exactly! I just can't believe a woman would come up with this drivel
May 21st, 2019 02:29 AM
Infiniti2001
Re: Azarenka: Pregnant? I thought my career was over!

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Originally Posted by Waz View Post
Nothing more annoying than these sportswomen who come back after giving birth and they make it seem like they just came back from war. First of all, nobody forced you to have the kid. You could have had an abortion. Secondly, you are rich as hell, so you have the best available health care and medical facilities at your disposal. They are women in poor countries that give birth and they don’t even have the basic health care and doctors and nurses available. Yet these privileged rich sportswomen want us to all believe that they fought in and survived during war by giving birth. Cry me a river!
PIG!! No woman would post this shit
May 21st, 2019 12:41 AM
ozza
Re: Azarenka: Pregnant? I thought my career was over!

People realise that it's BBC pushing this right, it's not Vika that's gone out and sought this interview, they sought her out for the interview as the start of their #changethegame campaign this summer "to showcase female athletes in a way they never have been before", through more women's sport coverage this summer they are "aiming to turn up the volume on women's sport and alter perceptions".
May 21st, 2019 12:17 AM
Sui
Re: Azarenka: Pregnant? I thought my career was over!

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Originally Posted by iGOAT View Post

I agree this narrative of moms on tour being walking miracles or superheroes has gotten a bit out of control though, but we all know that Vika is not the one who started that…
Vika’s narrative was filled up with custody disputes that prevented her from playing for what, almost a year? and asking the general public if it was right that her baby’s father disrespected her in front of his parents... she can have all that.
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