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Nov 14th, 2019 09:05 PM
spiceboy
Re: European maps on social issues



Nov 11th, 2019 10:34 PM
Petronius
Re: European maps on social issues

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Originally Posted by Bartosh View Post
By law, kids that don't speak Polish get 2-5 hours of Polish language classes per week for one year. But at the same time they also attend normal classes with other kids. Polish law also allows a different solution - schools can open a prep-class for kids that don't speak Polish. They go to such class for one year before they start normal education in Polish. I assume that most Ukrainian students don't need that as our languages are similar enough so that they can go to normal class straight away.

The number of kids of immigrants in Polish schools is quickly rising, mostly thanks to Ukrainian immigrants. Last year there were 44 000 immigrant kids in public schools, year before - 30 000, 2 years before - 14 000.

It's kinda hilarious that despite our stupid government's anti-immigrant rhetoric, we receive more migrant workers than anywhere else in the world First residence permits issued in the EU in 2017:

Poland: 683 228
Germany: 535 446
UK: 517 000
France: 250 175
Spain: 231 153
Interesting, I checked that EU report and found this:

'Poland was the principal destination for Ukrainian citizens, as 78.5% of all resident permits issued to Ukrainians in the EU-28 in 2018 were issued in this country.'

and

'Some of the factors that may influence the destination chosen by citizens of non-member countries when they decide to seek a residence permit include: linguistic ties […] and geographical proximity (for example, there was a high number of Ukrainians seeking residence in Poland).'

Anyway, when it comes to anti-immigrant rhetoric in Eastern Europe, Ukraine will always be an exception, as every politician in EE sees the country as a source of cheap labour force.

This quote from a spot-on Bloomberg article sums it up nicely:

'Most of the inflow went to Poland which, according to Eurostat, issued 585,439 residence permits to Ukrainians in 2017. Ukrainians were also the biggest group of permit recipients in Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Estonia and Lithuania. It’s hard to miss the irony here: These are all countries with anti-immigration governments, which openly fight or quietly boycott the EU’s attempts to redistribute asylum seekers throughout Europe on the grounds that they are too poor to pay for big integration efforts or that the Middle Eastern and African Migrants are too culturally dissimilar from them.'

The population of Ukraine has decreased by about 10 million since 1990 and as long as the dire economic situation persists, more and more will be coming and Poland is a natural destination for them situated right next door.
Nov 11th, 2019 10:04 PM
Monzanator
Re: European maps on social issues

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Originally Posted by Bartosh View Post
By law, kids that don't speak Polish get 2-5 hours of Polish language classes per week for one year. But at the same time they also attend normal classes with other kids. Polish law also allows a different solution - schools can open a prep-class for kids that don't speak Polish. They go to such class for one year before they start normal education in Polish. I assume that most Ukrainian students don't need that as our languages are similar enough so that they can go to normal class straight away.

The number of kids of immigrants in Polish schools is quickly rising, mostly thanks to Ukrainian immigrants. Last year there were 44 000 immigrant kids in public schools, year before - 30 000, 2 years before - 14 000.

It's kinda hilarious that despite our stupid government's anti-immigrant rhetoric, we receive more migrant workers than anywhere else in the world First residence permits issued in the EU in 2017:

Poland: 683 228
Germany: 535 446
UK: 517 000
France: 250 175
Spain: 231 153
How many of those 683k come from Ukraine? As you know we treat economic immigrants from Ukraine (ex-USSR in general) different than refugees from Muslim countries. Herein lies the so-called Polish xenophobia. We can accept 600k Ukrainians but not 600 Muslims
Nov 11th, 2019 03:18 PM
Silent Bird
Re: European maps on social issues

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WHAT! Netherlands disappears under the sea!? That will never happen. We will raise our dikes! The sea will NEVER take us!
Haha, didn't even notice. That's the best part of the map.
Nov 11th, 2019 01:43 PM
Fortitude
Re: European maps on social issues

WHAT! Netherlands disappears under the sea!? That will never happen. We will raise our dikes! The sea will NEVER take us!
Nov 10th, 2019 11:04 PM
Joana
Re: European maps on social issues

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Originally Posted by Silent Bird View Post
I don't get it?
I think it's supposed to represent what pisses the general population in each country the most.
It's not really all that accurate IMO, though. I really don't think the majority of Serbs and Croats are that pressed about Mladić or the WW2 flag. Also, about the 30% of the population of Bosnia and Montenegro would definitely not have a problem with how they're depicted here.
Macedonia is also a very weird case. I mean, it's their official flag I know it's not popular among the hardcore nationalists because they think it should have been the flag of Alexander the Great or whatever, but I really don't think it's something that bothers most people all that much.
Nov 10th, 2019 10:26 PM
Bartosh
Re: European maps on social issues

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Originally Posted by Petronius View Post
I wonder if there are many Ukrainian or Russian students in Poland and if they study in Polish?

For instance, in Prague there are quite many Russian/Ukrainian students and they often study from Czech textbooks because the languages are relatively similar and - most importantly - in that case the studies are free of charge.
By law, kids that don't speak Polish get 2-5 hours of Polish language classes per week for one year. But at the same time they also attend normal classes with other kids. Polish law also allows a different solution - schools can open a prep-class for kids that don't speak Polish. They go to such class for one year before they start normal education in Polish. I assume that most Ukrainian students don't need that as our languages are similar enough so that they can go to normal class straight away.

The number of kids of immigrants in Polish schools is quickly rising, mostly thanks to Ukrainian immigrants. Last year there were 44 000 immigrant kids in public schools, year before - 30 000, 2 years before - 14 000.

It's kinda hilarious that despite our stupid government's anti-immigrant rhetoric, we receive more migrant workers than anywhere else in the world First residence permits issued in the EU in 2017:

Poland: 683 228
Germany: 535 446
UK: 517 000
France: 250 175
Spain: 231 153
Nov 10th, 2019 09:41 PM
Bartosh
Re: European maps on social issues

This map is definitely wrong for Poland, no one cares about the flag thing. It definitely should be "Polish concentration camps" for us
Nov 10th, 2019 09:15 PM
Silent Bird
Re: European maps on social issues

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Originally Posted by spiceboy View Post
The "piss off your neighbour" map



I don't get it?
Nov 10th, 2019 08:24 PM
Hugues Daniel
Re: European maps on social issues

Any mnemonic idea to not confuse the flags of Poland and Indonesia?
Nov 10th, 2019 08:00 PM
spiceboy
Re: European maps on social issues

The "piss off your neighbour" map

Nov 9th, 2019 12:29 AM
Petronius
Re: European maps on social issues

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Originally Posted by Bartosh View Post
I mean, how many people from Poland move to live in Americas? This is such a tiny little number yet there are tons of people who learn Spanish here. It's just seen as a cool/sexy/trendy language to learn right now And weirdly, from my observation 95% of Poles who learn Spanish are women I guess guys are just a bit more pragmatic and choose to learn the most useful/profitable languages.
This is interesting. I would say that a similar situation exists in the Czech Republic with regard to French. It is considered by girls/women here as a very sexy language, it's almost like magic. I blame the popularity of the French movies and actors like Belmondo, Delon, Gerard Philippe, etc.

I once attended a French class in Prague (for practical reasons, as I have relatives in FR) and I was the only guy among nearly twenty chicks. It obviously had its advantages

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Originally Posted by Bartosh View Post
The number of students in public schools choosing to learn Russian is constantly falling. This number is still inflated by the fact that there are still too many Russian teachers in public schools and until they retire some kids will have no other choice than to learn Russian.

It's not the most useful language if you think about job prospects + we have over one million Ukrainians in this country whose native/almost native language is Russian so they will always have the edge on the job market. Also, modern Russian culture (music, movies, TV etc.) is completely non-existent in Poland so it's not seen as a 'cool' language to learn, like Spanish.
I wonder if there are many Ukrainian or Russian students in Poland and if they study in Polish?

For instance, in Prague there are quite many Russian/Ukrainian students and they often study from Czech textbooks because the languages are relatively similar and - most importantly - in that case the studies are free of charge.
Nov 8th, 2019 12:06 AM
Petronius
Re: European maps on social issues

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Originally Posted by JaySix View Post
Check how many people from Scandinavian countries travel to Spain for holidays and how many live there permanently. It's a pretty big number. There are whole cities in Spain consisting of majority Scandinavians that have their own language bars etc. You go to some of these places and you hear more Norwegian or Finnish than Spanish.

Looking at language courses offered by the city of Helsinki: Opinto-ohjelma

There are about 7 pages of different Spanish courses from A1 to C1 while all the other languages except English have 1-2 pages max.
Interesting how the invention of aircraft changes people's places of abode or even linguistic preferences a century later. Europe is really becoming a little village
Nov 7th, 2019 10:59 PM
Sammo
Re: European maps on social issues

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What's EL? Greece?
Nov 7th, 2019 10:49 PM
Iblis
Re: European maps on social issues

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Could be right. Italians hate the French, the connection with Germany has always been a difficult one, though from history, we are brothers and England... well France gave them more than 50% of their vocabulary from the conquer in 1066. But I think, they have remained kind of Germanic.
Lol come on, hate? it's just some banter.
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