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Feb 14th, 2016 02:00 PM
Luca Van Diesel
Re: St Petersburg SF Bencic def Kasatkina 6:4 6:3

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Originally Posted by Jaisons View Post
She won this, Vinci has nothing to hurt her.
Feb 14th, 2016 12:37 PM
Steff_forever
Re: St Petersburg SF Bencic def Kasatkina 6:4 6:3

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Originally Posted by melodynelson View Post
Bencic has the tendency to fall back on passive play and defense, but can summon good stuff when the going gets tough. Although it doesn't always work out.

I remember during her Eastbourne and Canada runs in particular her defense looked to be pretty sharp, as was her movement. Not a mover like Jankovic, but she seemed to know where the ball was going.

After watching her play Sharapova in Melbourne, she seems heavier, also regarding her weight, slower, and nowhere near as sharp. It's not easy to hit winners past Sharapova, but I found her play to be absolutely listless and dire, and from what I've seen in St. Petersburg not much has changed, except the opposition is nowhere near that of Sharapova's level. She can get by against most opposition.

I root for Bencic to win, but generally speaking her play does not seem all that inspired. Is it even possible for that anymore in today's game? Mental tenacity can only count for so much. I just hope she gets trimmer and can work on some aspects of her game, because I really wouldn't mind if she became much better. She has the ability to do so, but I'm afraid she'll get complacent like most of the rising girls do.

maybe that has sth to do with the lost connection with Melanie Molitor.
I don't know how it will be all about to rely just on her father. We've seen it too often on the tour
Feb 14th, 2016 12:28 PM
aseurius
Re: St Petersburg SF Bencic def Kasatkina 6:4 6:3

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Originally Posted by melodynelson View Post
After watching her play Sharapova in Melbourne, she seems heavier, also regarding her weight, slower, and nowhere near as sharp. It's not easy to hit winners past Sharapova, but I found her play to be absolutely listless and dire, and from what I've seen in St. Petersburg not much has changed, except the opposition is nowhere near that of Sharapova's level. She can get by against most opposition.
Thats true.She just had too much respect against Pova and was too passive.And still,Pova had to ace the shit out of it to beat Belinda.You could clearly see that was the Povas game plan to pressure her on the service and it worked.I believe,Belinda is already a better player than Pova in terms of the skills though.

But,take a look at the results this year.She only lost to the fluke Crawford and Pova (both 75 75 results) (withdraw against Puig being sick) In fact she is already showing the consistency to be the top contender.And her level of play was really just average by her standards.And she beat Kerber and Petkovic in two very good matches.Compared to the beginning of the last year she is doing extremely well.

Personally,in 2-3 years time,I see Belinda winning Slams and Premiers on regular basis,just judging from what i see today.If she stays healthy she is going to be huge.
Feb 14th, 2016 11:25 AM
melodynelson
Re: St Petersburg SF Bencic def Kasatkina 6:4 6:3

Bencic has the tendency to fall back on passive play and defense, but can summon good stuff when the going gets tough. Although it doesn't always work out.

I remember during her Eastbourne and Canada runs in particular her defense looked to be pretty sharp, as was her movement. Not a mover like Jankovic, but she seemed to know where the ball was going.

After watching her play Sharapova in Melbourne, she seems heavier, also regarding her weight, slower, and nowhere near as sharp. It's not easy to hit winners past Sharapova, but I found her play to be absolutely listless and dire, and from what I've seen in St. Petersburg not much has changed, except the opposition is nowhere near that of Sharapova's level. She can get by against most opposition.

I root for Bencic to win, but generally speaking her play does not seem all that inspired. Is it even possible for that anymore in today's game? Mental tenacity can only count for so much. I just hope she gets trimmer and can work on some aspects of her game, because I really wouldn't mind if she became much better. She has the ability to do so, but I'm afraid she'll get complacent like most of the rising girls do.
Feb 14th, 2016 10:41 AM
Corswandt
Re: St Petersburg SF Bencic def Kasatkina 6:4 6:3

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Originally Posted by tejmeglekvár View Post
Posters will misunderstand this, but I believe Bencic is boring as hell. I mean she is the full package a hardcore WTA fan probably dreams about. It seems she has all the technique, brain, willpower, some athletism and pretty looks, the media sweatheart personality but also the fire when needs, the legacy with Hingis/Molitor. But no visible flaws. Where are the flaws???
I hope she makes to the very top, looks very deserving, still doesnt seems exciting because she basically cant fail. It is like your bad superhero movie when you know even if she gets hurt, at the end she wins.
(Kvitova was somewhat close to this but the crowd-off-putting game and eastern 'uropean beer-lady caricature made it different.)
Bencic has plenty of flaws, and you don't even have to go that deep into nerdy detail to find them. But I think I see what you mean - (i) her game is bland and generic in the same way as Djokovic's, and her rise doesn't provide much of a narrative as she didn't have to overcome big hurdles in her development; (ii) picking Bencic as a fave among the "rising stars" is the safe/easy way out. There's more uncertainty, but possibly also bigger rewards, in supporting other players.

As for Kvitova, there was nothing inevitable about her rise. It was mostly about context - she brought back PEAK LEVEL to the WTA during a Void Era in which the ability to summon a devastating peak level was beginning to seem immaterial - by early 2011, supposed Slam contenders were getting outhit and outplayed by the likes of Sevastova during long patches of Slam matches. Kvitova happened to be on a good enough level of fitness during that window, and had enough mental fortitude to take advantage of nearly all the opportunities that she had. But, looking back, was it even plausible that someone with such a high-risk game, a borderline fast surface specialist, would be a set (IIRC) away of finishing the year as #1?

Agree with the reasons you give for Kvitova's lack of star potential; those are much the same I've posted here before: ME NO RALLY game intensely disliked by most casual fans, looks weird, doesn't speak good English.
Feb 13th, 2016 09:47 PM
aseurius
Re: St Petersburg SF Bencic def Kasatkina 6:4 6:3

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Originally Posted by RU90 View Post
Especially given how poorly Belinda has been playing all week.
Belinda has been playing,well lets say,mediocre by her standards.(She played very good Fed Cup though) So its even more impressive that she managed to win three tough matches,specially against the Russian girls.Belinda is incredibly versatile and resourceful,thats why she can pull a win, even when her game is not on.Thats a sigh of a true champion
Feb 13th, 2016 09:24 PM
RU90
Re: St Petersburg SF Bencic def Kasatkina 6:4 6:3

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sparkle View Post
Bencic is certainly capable of winning the final tomorrow. But don't discount Vinci so quickly... She does have weapons and tactics to hurt BB with.
Especially given how poorly Belinda has been playing all week.
Feb 13th, 2016 08:46 PM
Mr.Sparkle
Re: St Petersburg SF Bencic def Kasatkina 6:4 6:3

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Originally Posted by Jaisons View Post
Bencic is not chasing a career 22 slam + calendar slam. Totally different
Bencic is certainly capable of winning the final tomorrow. But don't discount Vinci so quickly... She does have weapons and tactics to hurt BB with.
Feb 13th, 2016 08:11 PM
Baby-Ma
Re: St Petersburg SF Bencic def Kasatkina 6:4 6:3

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sparkle View Post
Yeah..I'm sure Serena fans thought the same thing...
Bencic is not chasing a career 22 slam + calendar slam. Totally different
Feb 13th, 2016 07:59 PM
Qalahari
Re: St Petersburg SF Bencic def Kasatkina 6:4 6:3

Congrats Belinda!
Great achievement to reach the top 10 at the tender of 18.
Well done!!!
Feb 13th, 2016 06:50 PM
tejmeglekvár
Re: St Petersburg SF Bencic def Kasatkina 6:4 6:3

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Originally Posted by wolf79 View Post
said no one but a masha stan of all people.
as expected, you did understand at all.
Feb 13th, 2016 06:38 PM
wolf79
Re: St Petersburg SF Bencic def Kasatkina 6:4 6:3

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Originally Posted by tejmeglekvár View Post
Main difference here was one of them beating Serena last summer, while the other beat Venus in Auckland.

She looked frustrated, tired all week. Pushing, using nonsense tactics opposite coaching advice, backing from winning situations. DarKa has to grow into her game and tour, just like BB did when barely a year ago she was toasted by someone like Woz or Keys. This was a great learning experience if she can use it. Top50 already when she barely got into USO draw 5 months ago.
A bit she reminds me of Patty.

Posters will misunderstand this, but I believe Bencic is boring as hell. I mean she is the full package a hardcore WTA fan probably dreams about. It seems she has all the technique, brain, willpower, some athletism and pretty looks, the media sweatheart personality but also the fire when needs, the legacy with Hingis/Molitor. But no visible flaws. Where are the flaws???
I hope she makes to the very top, looks very deserving, still doesnt seems exciting because she basically cant fail. It is like your bad superhero movie when you know even if she gets hurt, at the end she wins.

(Kvitova was somewhat close to this but the crowd-off-putting game and eastern 'uropean beer-lady caricature made it different.)
said no one but a masha stan of all people.
Feb 13th, 2016 06:30 PM
tejmeglekvár
Re: St Petersburg SF Bencic def Kasatkina 6:4 6:3

Main difference here was one of them beating Serena last summer, while the other beat Venus in Auckland.

She looked frustrated, tired all week. Pushing, using nonsense tactics opposite coaching advice, backing from winning situations. DarKa has to grow into her game and tour, just like BB did when barely a year ago she was toasted by someone like Woz or Keys. This was a great learning experience if she can use it. Top50 already when she barely got into USO draw 5 months ago.
A bit she reminds me of Patty.

Posters will misunderstand this, but I believe Bencic is boring as hell. I mean she is the full package a hardcore WTA fan probably dreams about. It seems she has all the technique, brain, willpower, some athletism and pretty looks, the media sweatheart personality but also the fire when needs, the legacy with Hingis/Molitor. But no visible flaws. Where are the flaws???
I hope she makes to the very top, looks very deserving, still doesnt seems exciting because she basically cant fail. It is like your bad superhero movie when you know even if she gets hurt, at the end she wins.
(Kvitova was somewhat close to this but the crowd-off-putting game and eastern 'uropean beer-lady caricature made it different.)
Feb 13th, 2016 06:20 PM
Fortitude
Re: St Petersburg SF Bencic def Kasatkina 6:4 6:3

Lets not get ahead of ourselves. Belinda is a great player but today and against Pav there were large parts of the match she played downright sloppy and her serve was erratic (I do like the slice serve out wide).
She was the highest ranked player this tournament so no chance to meet a real top player (although I admit that gives tension in itself). She was really good at the important moments though, aggressive and forward.

Finally saw Kasatkina play and she's good but she's definitely not quite there yet, especially fitness wise. Her BH cross is beautiful though.
Feb 13th, 2016 04:31 PM
wolf79
Re: St Petersburg SF Bencic def Kasatkina 6:4 6:3

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Originally Posted by Corswandt View Post
While we're all so busy discussing the Slam chances of every single player under the sun, Bencic at 18 y.o. is already displaying the sort of consistency throughout the season that even veteran Slam contenders would find difficult to emulate.

Don't know if she'll win big, what she'll win big and when she'll win big. But I'm beginning to think that Bencic will at least be part of the future whether we believe in it or not and whether we agree with it or not.
it really looks like that her way to the very top is painted already. she's clearly improving on almost every part of her game on a consistent basis and even is able to show the true grit of the big champs by staying all so clutch on big points in flashes most recently, resembling the class and quality of the former and current slam winners when they used to be at or near her age.
she def is destined for here to stay it seems...
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