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Jan 25th, 2003 12:54 AM
Veronique I recognize the username "Jenglisbe" from the CNNSI message board. He is a big Hingis supporter. For him to claim today that he is a Serena supporter is a bold lie. He never liked the Williams sisters in the 1st place.
Jan 24th, 2003 06:43 PM
usatennis1 cybelledarkholmexx - your last statement is why we should let this go. These people are just looking for excuses to support poor fan behavior and Kims lost.

Never let the facts get into the way of a weak argument. They feel if they scream this crap long enough, it will be true.
Jan 24th, 2003 06:17 PM
Cybelle Darkholme IF serena had taken too much time between points she would have been called on a time violation. Did that happen? no. because she stayed within the limits of her time. She played by the rules.

face it you are pissed because serena clawed her way back from an imminient defeat. You wanted kim to win and she lost and now youre looking for reasons to vent on serena.
Jan 24th, 2003 05:58 PM
TennisWannabe Hi Everyone, I'm relatively new to this board but read posts here from time to time. I'm finding it a little difficult manuevering my way around but I'm learning. Anyway, I happened to read this thread the other day and then today happened to find this little excerpt from MJF's Question Answering Session on espn that addresses this issue. Now, we all know how MJF and PamS feel about the sisters so if she stands in their defense on anything, I think its a pretty safe bet that they are undisputably in the right.

In looking at the posters original issue, it seems that the gist of why he is disturbed with Serena has to do with the fact that she took and authorized time out before asking for the trainer, when the poster really feels that the sportsmanlike thing to have done would have been to call the trainer at the beginning of the break. We don't know whether Serena sat down and wasn't going to call for a trainer but when she was ready to resume play decided the matter needed to be addressed or whether she didn't really think of this as an inconsiderate thing to do in the eyes of some...we'll never know the answer to that. But nonetheless, here is what MJF has to say about the matter in response to a question posed by a reader:

Reader writes:
Regarding the S. Williams-Clijsters semifinal, I'm curious to know why the Commentators where not more supportive of Serena taken a legal time out for whatever injuries she felt needed to be addressed but were seemingly more supportive of the crowd's rude reaction? What "trick/game" was she playing by simply addressing her injuries

1) Serena was not dressing the injury and taking her time, the on-call medical representative took her time. 2) I'm almost certain that if that were Davenport, Capriati, or even Clijsters -- anyone other than the Williams sisters there would not have been a problem. 3) While the people in Australia may "call people on [playing games being sneaky]" good journalists/commentators would be more responsible in "calling people" on being rude/wrong in their actions. 4) Bottomline: The mainstream was upset that this beautiful, skillful, intelligent woman was able to beat K. Clijsters down 5 games to 1. Serena was miraculous in that last set and the Commentators again neglected to really and truly highlight such an accomplishment, which NEVER would have happened to Davenport, Capriati and the likes.
Maya Moore, Marietta,Ga

MJF's Response
I believe that the fans were unfair. They should never have booed. Serena had a legit reason to call for the trainer. If you were watching the TV you saw she had a huge blister and therefore needed a timeout. I believe the fans couldn't tell and were rooting not only for the underdog and what they now consider their Australian in Kim Clijsters because she's dating Lleyton Hewitt.

Serena did nothing wrong and they did take longer to get out there. She did take about 60 seconds before calling for the trainer in the first place, but she obviously needed treatment.

There was credit given to Serena because she has the heart of a champion. From 5-1 down, she only made 5 unforced errors and that's why she won besides the fact that Kim did get a little tight

Here is the link so you can read all the other questions if you haven't already done so.
Jan 24th, 2003 05:32 PM
joao Slowing down the game is not sportsmanship. It's a very good and efficient tactic. It helps you to reconcentrate and focus. Why should have she rushed when obviously she wasn't doing the right things at the moment. A player needs to be calm to win such important match. It's a good thing Serena was lucid enough to calm herself down and take all the time she needed to serve or return serve!

As for the other complaints, well I think everybody summed up pretty well my opinion on the matter.
Serena didn't break any rule taking the 1st time injury out. The 2d one was called by the trainer so it wasn't even at Serena's request. Why should we blame her for that! If the trainer thought she needed more time, then who are you to criticize and say otherwise? Are you questionning the trainer's ability to do her job?
As for the point replayed because of noise ... yes Serena started it but the umpire called it let because the awful and impartial crowd went crazy thinking Serena had commited another fault. I guess they should have just shut the "f*ck" up... but they were to blind to think straight!
Jan 24th, 2003 02:05 PM
katelijn maybe serena did not violate the rules. but as I remember you can have a 3 minute treament break and than again if you need more treatment. the trainer was 6 minutes on court when they asked for the second treatment break. In total serena had a treatment break of 9 minutes and I'm not counting the 2 minutes break between games. so total 11 minutes. It did not affect kim so much but was not fair
Jan 24th, 2003 09:14 AM
aisha You probably never liked Serena in the first place. Whiner! She did everything right. She walk to the chair umpire and asked for the trainer. It's not her fault her tape was slipping and her blisters opened up. I'm glad you aren't a Serena supporter anymore, go take your fake ass support elsewhere!
Jan 23rd, 2003 09:36 PM
DiZZiA jenglisbe.... I did hear the crowd booed Serena at the end of the match from the TV....
Jan 23rd, 2003 08:19 PM
Rae Q. Uh HELLO! Did you see the blisters??? Yeah ok she may have thrown off Kim's momentum or what not but Kim should've still won this match.
Jan 23rd, 2003 06:37 PM
CiCi Bonus Baby
BUT -- to take the 90-second changeover time and THEN call the trainer -- that was not very nice, IMHO. And then on top of that she asked for a SECOND injury timeout (which is supposed to be only for an unrelated injury, and as far as I could see, it was just that same foot, albeit in two places!)

did u see the match live, if not how can u comment?

Serena clearly spoke to the umpire at the begining of the changeover.

Serena was clearly anxious to put her shoe on but the trainer kept working.

The umpire clearly said that the trainer requested a second time-out.

nuff said.
Jan 23rd, 2003 06:34 PM
VS Fan As has been stated numerous times in this thread, Serena was down 1-2 when she took the injury timeout. The TRAINER asked for the additional time to treat a second probleb with her foot.

After the timeout Kim won THREE straight games for 1-5
She then lost SIX straight games and the match. 7-5

The injury timeout did NOT change the momentum of the match.
Serena did that!
Jan 23rd, 2003 04:14 PM
tennisfan1972 As a Kim fan, i am appauled at some of teh backlash that serena is receiving for her injury time out. I guessits not really a backlash though since these posters never really liked serena anyway. I'm trying to figure a few things out.
1) How does 90 seconds make the difference in a match at 1-2, when Kim clearyly wasnt affected and went up 1-5? was it a delayed effect or what?
2) If you have an obvious injury, why should u not get it treated?
3) If you have an injury, isnt it wise (although serena didnt do this, in my opinion) to take your 90 minuites adn then take your injurytime out? why waste a 90 minute rest that u are entitled to by having an injury time out over lap the 90 second rest?
4) serena clearly called the trainer before she sat down, should she not get treated because the trainer didnt show up on time?

I think this is a good learning experience for Kim just as Serena had tolearn in years past to stay focused and close out matches. And just as Venus has had to do, Kim is a champion in the making. These exeriences will make her better next year and in the long run. Look at what happened after Serena's Choke-fest of a year in 2001.

Congrats Fellow Kim and Sererna Fans, it was great match full of drama. I mean after roddick and aynaoui, the girls had to do something dramatic to keep their top billing.
Jan 23rd, 2003 03:18 PM
Cybelle Darkholme Before the medical time out: Kim 2 - 1

After the medical time out: Kim 5 - 1

So please tell me how this timeout affected kims play in anyway? Also If you watch the match on replay serena talked to the chair before she sat down. Watch it again! She can't help it if the trainer takes her time getting to the court. Also she has a right to those ninety seconds!

I swear if you people can't handle a ninety second changeover then thats really lame. Its part of the game. deal with it.
Jan 23rd, 2003 02:48 PM
usatennis1 PLEASE read the rules! Serena did not VIOLATE the rules.

I was shocked at the booing in the crowd. If they saw what we saw on TV they would have not booed. The rules were not violated and she had blisters on her foot. For the people that dont like the Williams, any injury is not real!

The best counter to poor crowd sportsmanship is to WIN. Congrats to Serena for a great comeback victory!

The injury time out was NOT the reason Kim lost the match! The big CHOKE is why Kim lost the match. All of you haters are amazing - look at the match - Kim had the opportunities and blew them! If anyone else would have done what Serena did, the booing would not have happened.

There was no gamemanship!

Jan 23rd, 2003 02:38 PM
Originally posted by Midnite Surfer

I do think Serena was trying to slow the match down though by calling the trainer which is gamesmanship but unfortunately, extremely common. Of course I am still a fan of Serena. If she wanted to, she could have taken bathroom breaks etc. to really use gamesmanship.
I don't think that anyone is faulting Serena for taking an injury time-out -- she obviously did need her blister retaped.

BUT -- to take the 90-second changeover time and THEN call the trainer -- that was not very nice, IMHO. And then on top of that she asked for a SECOND injury timeout (which is supposed to be only for an unrelated injury, and as far as I could see, it was just that same foot, albeit in two places!) -- I think the WTA was *wrong* in granting that! As Pam Shriver suggested, Kim should have taken her own bathroom break then or something and just not sit there and *think* and get nervous!

As for the point Serena stopped , she was assigned a "hindrance" warning call and the point was replayed, so I have no problem with that, except that it did look bad in combination with all her other slow-down tactics.
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