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I always thought Martina deserved the number one spot in 1978, since she dominated the (Evert-less) Slims tour and played consistently well the entire season.

Chris played wonderful tennis, but probably 30 matches less than Martina. They were equal in terms of majors, 2 a piece. What was their head to head? 2-1 for Evert? Didn't World Tennis or Tennis Magazine give Evert the nod in their year-end rankings?
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I always thought Martina deserved the number one spot in 1978, since she dominated the (Evert-less) Slims tour and played consistently well the entire season.

Chris played wonderful tennis, but probably 30 matches less than Martina. They were equal in terms of majors, 2 a piece. What was their head to head? 2-1 for Evert? Didn't World Tennis or Tennis Magazine give Evert the nod in their year-end rankings?
I believe WorldTennis did give Evert the nod- Rollo, correct me here if I'm wrong. The majors, however, went as follows:

French Open: Virginia Ruzici def. Mima Jausovec
Wimbledon: Martina Navratilova def. Chris Evert
U.S. Open: Chris Evert def. Pam Shriver
Australian Open: Chris O'Neill def. Betsy Nagelsen (moved back to Dec)

Martina only made it to the Wimbledon final that year!

There is nothing more beautiful than Evonne Goolagong in full flight moving across a tennis court.
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78 went down to the wire. Martina had Wimbledon (def Evert in f) and the Slims champs but Chris had the US plus the colgate champs (def Nav in final). Their h2h was 3-2 to Chris. Chris won 7 tourneys /11 (3 losses & conceded a w/o) and Martina won 11/18 (7 losses).
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This was the last year of World Team Tennis - so nobody big played the French, and the Aussie dropped by the wayside after Goolagong got preggie/injured. The majors in 1978 were really Wimbledon, US Open, Virgina Slims Champs and the Colgate Champs.

Both won 2, beating each other in finals. Chris had one more win over Martina, but Martina had 4 more titles. Chris had the better winning percentage and ended the year on a much higher note, but I would still give it to Navratilova for her year long consistency. She had the year's biggest winning streak: 35 matches = 7 tournaments won in a row

Did anyone happen to see that strange match they played a few weeks after the US Open in Atlanta? 7-6 0-6 6-3 to Chris. I was thrilled after MN won the middle set in a blow out, thinking she had the match. But as usual, CE never gave up. One of their oddest matches, by far.
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For me it's Martina by a whisker too, for the same reasons. The ITF designated Evert as world champ but the WTA computer had Martina just ahead. MN had the better record on grass and indoors but CE was still top on clay and cement.
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For me it's Martina by a whisker too
You mean the furry-legged feminist in her was strong enough to pull her past ChrisAmerica by an unkempt armpit?

There is nothing more beautiful than Evonne Goolagong in full flight moving across a tennis court.
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Enjoying all this discussion... keep it going guys.

Robert - The only reason I separate Connolly and Seles is that Monica continued her career and it is a tragedy that she has been unable to replicate her earlier form due to a considerable number of factors. So I will always rate Connolly that little bit higher, her career was almost flawless.

Monica holds a special spot in my heart, and I will personally always regard her as one of the greatest players for her remarkable achievements prior to the stabbing. In fact, if it wasn't for Monica my interest in womens tennis during the 90s would have waned considerably.

And by 71 World #1 I did mean the official unofficial rankings as posted by Alfajester
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Ok, I understand your point. A bit of a pity is that Monica now is considered by many not as great as she would be if she had not came back. Your opinion reveals that, too. Her career was almost perfect before the stabbing, so many look at her later results as spoiling factors for her records. But wasn't it an achievement alone to come back? This is so underrated. Also, her results after the stabbing alone are good enough to become a name in the record books. When Monica came back she was mentioned along with Navratilova, Evert or Court. These days, many don't do that. Well, many who don't know much about Tennis.
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Here is Goolagongs record for 1971. Kings record will be sent soon.

Year Round Tournament Player Score
1971 2R WA CHAMPS STOVE 86 62
1971 3R NSW OPEN STOVE 64 36 75
1971 W VICTORIAN COURT 76 76
1971 W CHRISTCHURCH STOVE 61 64
1971 RU AUCKLAND COURT 36 76 62
1971 W NSW HC
1971 RU AUSTRALIAN OPEN COURT 26 76 75
1971 QF DURBAN ORTH 26 75 64
1971 RU SOUTH AFRICAN COURT 63 61
1971 W SUTTON WILLIAMS 75 26 63
1971 W GUILDFORD COOPER 64 63
1971 3R HURLINGHAM DALTON 3 SET
1971 RU BOURNEMOUTH COURT 75 61
1971 W FRENCH OPEN GOURLAY 63 75
1971 RR NOTTINGHAM LOST COURT 64 60
1971 W WIMBLEDON COURT 64 61
1971 RU DUBLIN COURT 63 26 63
1971 QF HOYLAKE HOGAN 60 46 62
1971 W LEISTER HOGAN 62 61
1971 W HILVERSUM SANDBERG 86 63
1971 RU TORONTO DURR 64 62
1971 W EDINBURGH DURR 60 64
1971 SF BILLINGHAM HELDMAN 60 75
1971 SF WEMBLEY DURR 64 64
1971 RU ABERAVON WADE 76 63
1971 W TORQUAY DURR 61 60
1971 SF LONDON HELDMAN 60 06 61
1971 W QUEENSLAND GOURLAY 62 76
1971 W AUSTRALIAN HC SCHALLAU 61 61
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Re: Goolagong or King 1971 #1

Can anyone explain what are these "official" rankings for 1973 and 1974 and how they were arrived at?

I wasn't aware that these existed.

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Re: Goolagong or King 1971 #1

The 71 #1 spot is probably the most politically charged of any of the pre-WTA ranking debates, pitting the new Slims tour against the traditional circuit, its leading player against the winner of two of the three most important majors and the personification of the professional woman tennis player against a player who exuded the amateur spirit. You could also add an American vs European/Commonwealth dimension to the contrast. One woman was unquestionably the form player at the end of the year while the other reached the highest pinnacle of achievement during the year. It's not difficult to see why the pundits of the time and the history books are divided.

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The 71 #1 spot is probably the most politically charged of any of the pre-WTA ranking debates, pitting the new Slims tour against the traditional circuit, its leading player against the winner of two of the three most important majors and the personification of the professional woman tennis player against a player who exuded the amateur spirit. You could also add an American vs European/Commonwealth dimension to the contrast. One woman was unquestionably the form player at the end of the year while the other reached the highest pinnacle of achievement during the year. It's not difficult to see why the pundits of the time and the history books are divided.
I never thought of it that way Andy T. You are spot on course.

For Gongamaniacs its also the only year their lass had a claim to be year-end #1.
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Re: Goolagong or King 1971 #1

goolagong vs king in 71... looks like the powers that be that decided world rankings before the days of the computer put a HUGE emphasis on who won the major tournaments.. i.e. goolagong winning the french and wimbledon... i say this because looking at evonne's year long results, yeah, she won a number of tournaments, but she also lost more than a few.. more than a number 1 for that year should lose, plus she had a few losing records too. i mean she was 1-6 against court! 0-2 against durr, etcetra....

in regard to evert vs navratilova, well it's a given that martina ruled the first 6 months and evert the last 6 months of the year.... besides evert having the slight head to head record.... i think some took into account that evert also had NO bad losses throughout the entire year, and the fact that martina lost to shriver in the 78's semis probably was HUGE in the rankings decision, this was considered a HUGE and BAD loss to an unknown... and so there you go both had 2 major titles, and yes, martina totally dominated the first 6 months of 78, but without evert, who as the reigning number 1 for 4 years straight already (74 to 77) this was considered i'm sure also a huge handicap for martina, kind of like boxing, the challenger has to k.o. the champion to come out on top, and without no evert, martina's wins were lessened in their impact....

so factor in the head to head records, no bad losses for chris, and evert the current champ and there you go....
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