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US Open Seeds 1976

Reading through the VS 76 series results, I was struck that Nancy Richey managed to grab the 5th seed position for the 76 US Open. She really didn't do much of anything in the Slims, skipped the European clay and didn't bother with the British grass. So how come she ended up so high on the list? She hadn't been seeded at the US since 1972. Did she have some spectacular results in between Wimbledon and the US that catapulted her up the ranking list? Or did the US seeding committee not follow the rankings? Sue Barker dropping back to 9th on the list seems odd too. Any clues as to how they were compiled?
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It's a very good question. My best guess (and it's only that) would be that Nancy's seeding was based on her clay court ability. As recently as 1975 she had a match point vs Evert at the US Clay Courts.

The other might have been her computer ranking. Though she played infrequently on the Slims circuit she was consistent-and her title at Phoenix in the fall of 1975 would still have counted towards her ranking.
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That is a very strange seeding that year
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Maybe favoritism towards the US player?
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It's a very good question. My best guess (and it's only that) would be that Nancy's seeding was based on her clay court ability. As recently as 1975 she had a match point vs Evert at the US Clay Courts.

The other might have been her computer ranking. Though she played infrequently on the Slims circuit she was consistent-and her title at Phoenix in the fall of 1975 would still have counted towards her ranking.
I don't recall where Richey was listed on the year end rankings for 1975, but equally I don't remember seeing her in the top 10. Of course, it's quite likely indeed that the US chose to recoginize national players over foreign entrants. Wimbledon did it regularly. I don't think Barker was actually ranked as high as 7 when they seeded her such earlier in the year. But it is odd about Richey.
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I don't recall where Richey was listed on the year end rankings for 1975, but equally I don't remember seeing her in the top 10
I believe World Tennis ranked her as high as #8 for the year in their World Ranking.
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How many different ranking lists were there back in the 70s and 80s
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And were these lists updated every week
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I don't recall where Richey was listed on the year end rankings for 1975, but equally I don't remember seeing her in the top 10. Of course, it's quite likely indeed that the US chose to recoginize national players over foreign entrants. Wimbledon did it regularly. I don't think Barker was actually ranked as high as 7 when they seeded her such earlier in the year. But it is odd about Richey.
Richey was #2 in the USTA rankings for 1975, behind Evert. (King was omitted from those rankings.) Bud Collins placed Richey at #8 in his world rankings for 1975.
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How many different ranking lists were there back in the 70s and 80s
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And were these lists updated every week
These are tough questions to answer. The official WTA rankings debuted in 1975 and were biweekly for several years. Once they debuted, they were generally considered the primary rankings.
However, there was also something called Computennis rankings by in the mid-1970s, compiled by Jeff Sagarian (I know I've butchered his last name, but it was something like that)
As noted in this thread, Virginia Slims maintained a ranking system, but it was truly only for entry into the Virginia Slims tournaments. I think it was even separate from their points race, which was published at the conclusion of each tournament. Likewise, once the Colgate Series started in 1976/77, it also published a points race. Eventually, these two would merge, as Virginia Slims became part of the overall tour, or vice versa, depending on how you look at it.
Of course, most national associations also published their country rankings in the 1960s and 1970s and they were prestigious and often controversial as all were subjective. For example, the USTA co-ranked Jimmy Connors and Stan Smith No. 1 in 1973 -- even though Connors never lost to Smith in head-to-head and had a slightly better overall record. Regardless, until the computer rankings appeared, these national rankings were extremely important.
As you've seen in various threads, magazines and even reporters also had their own subjective rankings -- but they were usually year-end affairs.
I know it's not much, but maybe it helps clear up the confusion somewhat.
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Does anyone know when the official WTA ranking list became the yardstick by which seeding for an event was determined?

I know the Slams still maintain the right to issue their own list but in practice there is very little "tampering".

Up to and including this events had the power to to seed however they wanted and were not bound by a player's perceived order in rankings.

There were any number of contentious placements probably the biggest injustice of all being Florence de La Courtie a French journeywoman barely top 20, somehow emerging as the #3 seed at RG in 1960 ahead of such prestigious names as Sandra Reynolds, Darlene Hard, Ann Haydon, Yola Ramirez etc.

Bizarre.

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Does anyone know when the official WTA ranking list became the yardstick by which seeding for an event was determined?

I know the Slams still maintain the right to issue their own list but in practice there is very little "tampering".

Up to and including this events had the power to to seed however they wanted and were not bound by a player's perceived order in rankings.

There were any number of contentious placements probably the biggest injustice of all being Florence de La Courtie a French journeywoman barely top 20, somehow emerging as the #3 seed at RG in 1960 ahead of such prestigious names as Sandra Reynolds, Darlene Hard, Ann Haydon, Yola Ramirez etc.

Bizarre.
That is bizarre indeed. It always seemed to me that the GS events took into account the results from the previous year's results when they made the seeding list in the pre-ranking days. More often than not it seemed the defending champ was given top seeding, regardless of current form. Wimbledon & the US seemed to do that particularly. Plus, GS results in themselves seemed more important than week-on-week results. Someone who did really well at the French, even if they'd come out of left field, could be pretty certain of a seed at Wimbledon as a consequence, with Wimbledon results then having a strong bearing on the US Open seeds subsequently. Wimbledon rarely varies from the rankings these days, but for a long time, they often seeded against the ranking list. Hana Mandlikova's elevation to No.2 in 1981 being the classic example.

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