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HanaFanGA, did you see either the 82 FO or the 82USO clash or hear any match reports? Both looked like very interesting matches by the scoreline. Hana must have been fed-up losing to Tracy so manay times in a row before finally winning. Do you know their junior H2H?

Hana did play in other junior events like the Orange Bowl tournament in Miami. So I know there's more to her junior record than what I've posted. I just don't know the when's, where's, and against whom's. Both Tracy and Hana mentioned their Jr. Wimbledon final - I suppose because that's the biggest deal for a junior. The only thing Hana said specifically about that match was that Tracy was the better player.

I WISH I could get my hands on either or both of their US Open and French Open meetings. I have a brief highlight of the US Open match on a USTA highlight film of that tournament. Otherwise, I've never seen them play each other. My impression from reports is that both matches were extremely close and the French match was an extremely long and arduous clay court battle.

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That is funny. Funny, because when I had the chance to talk to Tracy (with Carling Bassett in the back seat) back in 1997 when I was driving them back to the airport after an exhibition, I asked her who was the most difficult opponent- the one she didn't like to play, and Tracy responded "Hana". When asked why, she simply stated "because you never knew what you were going to get".

It'd be interesting to see what their junior record is like as compared to their pro h2h.

Liz Smylie commented after beating Hana at Wimbledon '85 something to the effect that Hana's good and then she's bad and then she beats on you like a drum and then she's bad again. I would think that probably drove a lot of players crazy because it almost feels like you don't have any control.

I think it was early 1981 that Tracy got on top of Hana and smothered her at the Colgate Championships in D.C. But otherwise she just wasn't able to do that and apparently had to go along for the roller coaster ride. To Tracy's credit though, since she didn't like it, that just makes her record against Hana all the more impressive.

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Austin leads 7-2
Rnk/Seed Year Event Surface Rnd Winner Score Rnk/Seed
--/-- 1979 STUTTGART CARPET (I) R32 T. AUSTIN 6-4 5-7 6-4 --/--
--/-- 1980 SEATTLE CARPET (I) R32 T. AUSTIN 6-7 6-2 6-4 --/--
--/-- 1980 VS OF LOS ANGELES HARD (I) R32 T. AUSTIN 3-6 6-1 6-3 --/--
--/-- 1980 FED CUP CLAY (O) R128 T. AUSTIN 6-3 4-6 6-2 --/--
--/-- 1980 EASTBOURNE GRASS (O) Q T. AUSTIN 1-6 6-3 6-2 --/--
--/-- 1981 WASHINGTON (RR) CARPET (I) R128 T. AUSTIN 6-3 6-0 --/--
--/-- 1981 LION CUP CARPET (I) R1 T. AUSTIN 7-6 7-6 --/--
--/5 1982 FRENCH OPEN CLAY (O) Q H. MANDLIKOVA 7-6 6-7 6-2 --/3
--/5 1982 US OPEN HARD (O) Q H. MANDLIKOVA 6-4 4-6 6-4


I'm sorry! I was wrong in that Tracy beat Hana twice in straight sets. Though the second time was 7-6, 7-6. Also, it looks like Hana did win a couple of second sets after losing the first.

The Austin/Mandlikova rivalry didn't last long enough to develop any solid trends. But in Hana's losses to Martina and Chris, she often either won the first set and then lost in 3 or she lost a close first set and then lost 6-1 or 6-2 in the second set.

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I think Tracy would have been very smug by the end of the 81 season that she was the only top player that Hana had not beaten. From the results listed by HanaFanGA, Tracy beat Hana 5 of her 7 times in 79-1980- meaning that post 1980, they were even at 2-2.

The scoreline of that FO clash looks like a classic, espcially those first two sets. knowing how tough Tracy is in tight situations, looks like Hana hit a hot streak in the 3rd to which Tracy had no answer........................
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Austin leads 7-2
Rnk/Seed Year Event Surface Rnd Winner Score Rnk/Seed
--/-- 1979 STUTTGART CARPET (I) R32 T. AUSTIN 6-4 5-7 6-4 --/--
--/-- 1980 SEATTLE CARPET (I) R32 T. AUSTIN 6-7 6-2 6-4 --/--
--/-- 1980 VS OF LOS ANGELES HARD (I) R32 T. AUSTIN 3-6 6-1 6-3 --/--
--/-- 1980 FED CUP CLAY (O) R128 T. AUSTIN 6-3 4-6 6-2 --/--
--/-- 1980 EASTBOURNE GRASS (O) Q T. AUSTIN 1-6 6-3 6-2 --/--
--/-- 1981 WASHINGTON (RR) CARPET (I) R128 T. AUSTIN 6-3 6-0 --/--
--/-- 1981 LION CUP CARPET (I) R1 T. AUSTIN 7-6 7-6 --/--
--/5 1982 FRENCH OPEN CLAY (O) Q H. MANDLIKOVA 7-6 6-7 6-2 --/3
--/5 1982 US OPEN HARD (O) Q H. MANDLIKOVA 6-4 4-6 6-4


I'm sorry! I was wrong in that Tracy beat Hana twice in straight sets. Though the second time was 7-6, 7-6. Also, it looks like Hana did win a couple of second sets after losing the first.

The Austin/Mandlikova rivalry didn't last long enough to develop any solid trends. But in Hana's losses to Martina and Chris, she often either won the first set and then lost in 3 or she lost a close first set and then lost 6-1 or 6-2 in the second set.
Yeah, but look at the rest of their matches- all three setters. It's obvious Tracy didn't have Hana's number (who did besides Hana?) and struggled against her. I would actually like to see this match-up on video, just to see how Tracy keeps her composure. The funny thing about that car ride back to the airport with Tracy and Carling was when I asked Carling the same question. Her response was "Chris Evert", to which Tracy turned around from the front seat and said "Why?" in an incredulous little laughter kind of voice!

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Thanks very interesting, especially your personal analysis

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On another note, Hana's biography made it clear that she did not get along with Helena Sukova at all. I think they tried playing doubles once, and Sukova accused Hana of not trying. She did not have much trouble with Sukova, and I think only lost to her late in her career after becoming an Australian.........
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On another note, Hana's biography made it clear that she did not get along with Helena Sukova at all. I think they tried playing doubles once, and Sukova accused Hana of not trying. She did not have much trouble with Sukova, and I think only lost to her late in her career after becoming an Australian.........

Mandlikova leads 12-2
Rnk/Seed Year Event Surface Rnd Winner Score Rnk/Seed
--/5 1981 AUSTRALIAN OPEN GRASS (O) R16 H. MANDLIKOVA 6-2 6-1 --/--
--/5 1982 SYDNEY GRASS (O) R32 H. MANDLIKOVA 6-4 6-3 --/--
--/3 1983 BRISBANE GRASS (O) R16 H. MANDLIKOVA 7-6 6-1 --/12
--/6 1984 VS OF WASHINGTON CARPET (I) S H. MANDLIKOVA 6-1 7-6(5) --/8
--/2 1984 VS OF NEW ENGLAND CARPET (I) F H. MANDLIKOVA 7-5 6-0 --/6
--/3 1984 WIMBLEDON GRASS (O) R16 H. MANDLIKOVA 6-4 6-1 --/14
--/6 1985 VS OF CALIFORNIA CARPET (I) S H. MANDLIKOVA 6-4 6-0 --/3
--/3 1985 US OPEN HARD (O) Q H. MANDLIKOVA 7-6(4) 7-5 --/7
--/1 1985 EUROPEAN INDOORS CARPET (I) S H. MANDLIKOVA 6-2 7-6(4) --/4
--/2 1986 US INDOORS CARPET (I) S H. SUKOVA 6-2 2-6 6-3 --/4
4/1 1987 BRISBANE GRASS (O) S H. MANDLIKOVA 4-6 6-1 6-4 6/3
--/4 1987 MIAMI HARD (O) Q H. MANDLIKOVA 6-4 6-3 --/6
4/1 1987 VS OF WASHINGTON CARPET (I) S H. MANDLIKOVA 6-3 6-2 6/3
15/6 1989 EUROPEAN INDOORS CARPET (I) Q H. SUKOVA 7-5 6-1 8/5

Hana really had her way with Helena. There are some close matches mixed in there, but by and large Hana usually routined Helena. I've always found it fascinating that Hana had such a great record against Sukova and Shriver. Yet she had a more modest record (6-4) vs. Khode - a player that both Sukova and Shriver usually defeated easily. That just goes to show you that matchups between different players can produce different results......different strengths vs. different weaknesses.

You're so right BCP. I don't think I've ever heard anything about the Hana/Helena relationship from Helena's point over view except when she was quoted in Tennis magazine as having said that Hana's not nice to others when her tennis isn't going well. So to be fair to Helena, I just wanted to report that. But Hana had a lot to say about Helena in her book.

First of all, Hana seemed to have very fond memories of Vera Sukova who helped train her. There was a lot of respect there. But the bone of contention between the two seems to be Cyril Suk, the head of the Czech Tennis Federation. Hana says that had she been Helena, she would've begged her father to resign his post because there were always assumptions by other Czech players that Helena received special benefits and favorable publicity. Now whether or not Helena should've had to worry about that, I don't know. But Helena didn't seem to be enormously popular amongst her fellow countrymen. At any rate, according to several sources including Hana's book, Hana didn't have a good ralationship with Cyril.

Hana says that she invited Helena to her place in Florida back in 1982 when Helena was first making an impact on the tour. They trained together and did play doubles regularly together off and on for the next two years. But then Hana started playing more with Khode Kilsch until their break up lead to the formidable Khode/Sukova team. Hana continued to play 2 or 3 tournaments a year with Sukova, probably for Fed Cup reasons. But that team was never as successful as it should've been........probably because of the tension between the two.

As BCP alluded to, they finally broke up for good in the spring of 1986 when Helena beat Hana for the first time ever. Perhaps Hana found it difficult to practice with her following the loss in singles. But she says she practiced at a friend's private court instead. The two then played their next doubles match and lost. Helena then told a Czech reporter that Hana didn't bother to practice for the match and was the reason that they lost.

The next time this Czech reporter interviewed Hana at the Fed Cup, the reporter warned her to watch out for Helena and that she was essentially tattling on Hana whenever she could.

Hana paid homage to Martina publicly at the Fed Cup in Prague, mentioning her name when "Martina Navratilova" was not to be said. Perhaps this is part of the price that Hana paid for that, but Hana essentially caught the blame for the Czechs Fed Cup loss when they were simply beaten by a better team. She started receiving negative press in Czech papers saying that Hana had become too "westernized" and didn't spend enough time at home. By the end of 1986, some Czech official came up with a new way to rank the country's best players. Instead of going on singles results, they would also add in doubles results. Under this crazy new system, Sukova was announced as the new Czech number one player. This, despite the fact that Helena had never been ranked higher than Hana and had only beaten Hana once against NINE losses.

Hana, then, applied for Australian citizenship via her new Aussie husband and announced that it was her intention to play for Australia in the 1988 Seoul Olympics. Hana and Helena played doubles just once more at the 87 Fed Cup in Vancouver. But only when the doubles was the deciding match against Germany.

At the close of her book, Hana said that she and Helena had agreed that it would be better for both of them if they tried harder to get along. That may have worked for a while. But after Hana retired, the very succesful Novotna/Sukova doubles team broke up after almost winning the grand slam. Sukova called a press conference in Prague to talk about the breakup and when Hana heard about it, she booked a flight and attended the conference. What happened there, I don't know. But Sukova's coach essentially blamed Hana for the breakup while Hana accused Helena of being jealous of Jana.

After the Czechs' Velvet Revolution, Cyril Suk was no longer in his position. Whether it was by choice or not, I don't know. But Hana was named Fed Cup coach for the Czechs and Helena skipped Fed Cup for a while. But I do think that Helena eventually came back on the team while Hana was coach.

At the 2000 Wimbledon celebration, Hana and Helena posed standing next to one another and oddly enough had the same hairstyle and color!!! So perhaps eventually they ended their long standing feud.

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Thanks HanaFan. I had no idea Hana and Helena had such a rich history or that Hana was so dominate in their 'rivalry'. I never really enjoyed Helena or her game. In recent photo's she seems to be resembling Petr Korda, yet somehow more masculine.
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MANDLIKOVA VS. CLAUDIA KHODE KILSCH

Mandlikova leads 6-4*
Rnk/Seed Year Event Surface Rnd Winner Score Rnk/Seed
--/1 1981 DETROIT CARPET (I) Q H. MANDLIKOVA 6-3 3-6 6-2 --/--
--/3 1982 EASTBOURNE GRASS (O) R32 H. MANDLIKOVA 6-1 6-3 --/--
--/3 1983 VS OF CALIFORNIA CARPET (I) R32 C. KOHDE-KILSCH 1-6 6-3 6-3 --/--
--/3 1985 FRENCH OPEN CLAY (O) Q C. KOHDE-KILSCH 6-4 6-4 --/7
--/2 1985 SYDNEY GRASS (O) S H. MANDLIKOVA 6-0 7-5 --/4
--/5 1986 VS CHAMPIONSHIPS CARPET (I) Q H. MANDLIKOVA 4-6 6-3 7-5 --/4
--/2 1986 VS OF CHICAGO CARPET (I) Q H. MANDLIKOVA 6-4 7-5 --/5
4/2 1987 AUSTRALIAN OPEN GRASS (O) S H. MANDLIKOVA 6-1 0-6 6-3 8/5
4/4 1987 US OPEN HARD (O) R16 C. KOHDE-KILSCH 6-7(4) 6-4 6-1

*The WTA site ommited Hana's 1985 SF round loss to Khode in Los Angeles, 7-5, 7-6.


As I said earlier, Hana's close series with Claudia is a bit of a mystery for me. Claudia's nerves often times kept her from spinging more upsets over higher ranked opponents. But she didn't seem to have such a problem against Hana. Perhaps it has to do with their successful doubles partnership. Hana and Claudia won the 1984 tournaments in Orlando and Hilton Head. They then reached the final of the French Open against Martina and Pam where they won the first set before losing in the 3rd. They also lost a couple of other close matches to Martina and Pam including one at Wimbledon. But they were never able to seal the deal.

The first painful loss for Hana at the hands of Claudia came at the 1985 French Open. In her 6 previous French Open entries, Hana had either won the tournament or lost to Evert or Navratilova. But another Hana/Martina clash in the semis was derailed by Claudia in the QF, 6-4, 6-4.

Hana thought she might win the French that year because she had done so well there and she trained very hard in the spring of that year with a famous Dutch trainer, Joop Ooms. Her training with him included on a daily basis, aerobics, sprints in sand dunes, and runs through the forest. These runs built up gradually from 10K to 15K and finally to 20K. During the 20K run, Hana stopped and started crying from sheer exhaustion. Knowing that she needed pushing, Joop threatened to leave her in the middle of no where and forced her to push herself. She completed the run and felt stronger for having gone through the experience. She felt that she was ready for the French.

Unfortunately for Hana, she was still feeling the effects of such hard training during the French. Flat and fatigued, she caught Claudia on a bad day and was upset.

Hana rarely lost to the same player twice in a row as she admitted that she made it a point to avenge her losses. But Hana caught Claudia during the summer of 1985 which Claudia says was her best run as a pro. Claudia defeated Martina in Toronto that summer and pounded Shriver in L.A. Afterwards, Pam said she felt as if she were staring down the barrell of a "German cannon" when she faced Claudia. But in LA, Hana lead Claudia 5-1 in the first and 5-2 in the second and managed to lose the match 7-5, 7-6. Of course, the match was of little consequence as Hana would go on to win the US Open.

But perhaps the most painful loss of all was the 1987 US Open 4R meeting. Hana was not happy that she was relegated to Court 16 for what she knew would be a tough match with Claudia who always performed well at the Open. Hana had won the Australian (defeating Claudia in the SF) but had spent the summer battling a heel injury that kept her in bed for a month and a unexpected pregnancy. She wanted to make a big impact at the US Open.......and she did. Just not in the way she wanted.

Hana wrote an article with Cindy Schmerler in World Tennis about the match. She beat Claudia in the first set 7-6 and led in the second 4-2 (eerily similar to the controversial Shriver match at the Vriginia Slims Champs the previous Nov.). She got a bad baseline call and admittedly said a four letter word and didn't object when she was given a warning. But at 1-1 in the 3rd set, she says she spoke to herself in Czech.

A linesman (during the game) left his chair and whispered something to the umpire. Hana thought nothing of it, but then the umpire announced a point penalty against Hana for an obsenity. Hana went to argued her side to the chair umpire. The umpire sided with the linesman and the penalty stood. Hana flew into a rage and smacked the courtside scoreboard sending it rocking back and forth.

TennisWeek reports that as this was happening, Claudia stood by looking "bewildered." Hana kept asking the umpire why he just didn't default her if he was so eager to take the match away from her. For the delay, the umpire assessed a game penalty. By this time, Supervisor Georgina Clark, had made her way to the court and calmed the situation. But Hana was never the same and lost 6-1 in the third. On her way back to the chair, Hana rocked the scoreboard once again and began her run from the press anxious to write about the latest Hana meltdown.

Hana won the series with Claudia. But she took some tough losses from the "German cannon."

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WHat a good read. I think I've become more of a fan of Hana after reading through it. Thanks, HanaFanGA!

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