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"I should've never lost to her!"

All top players had matches in important tournaments where they lost to someone totally unexpectedly. This thread is devoted to Grand Slam losses in which a top player (top five or so) loses to someone ranked considerably lower. For recent examples. JHH losing to Tatiana Garbin at the French or Martina Hingis losing to Virginia Ruano-Pascual at Wimbledon. Name the loss of a top player to a much lesser player in a Grand Slam tournament that they might consider their worst.

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Far too many to choose from for Virginia Wade!!

Margaret Thatcher - Michele Bachmann two strong women of our time.
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1996 Wimbledon

2r Katarina Studenikova d. Monica Seles (2) 7-5 5-7 6-4

Margaret Thatcher - Michele Bachmann two strong women of our time.
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Far too many to choose from for Virginia Wade!!

Watch it, I hear the swoosh of a stiff Dunlop heading toward the side of your head!



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1R of 1976 US Open
Janet Newberry d. Martina Navratilova[3] 1-6 6-4 6-3

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kathy jordan d. evert 6-1 7-6 R3 of 1983 Wimbledon
Arantxa Sanchez d. evert 6-3 7-6 R3 of 1988 French
Kathy Horovath d. Navratilova 6-4 0-6 6-3 R4 1984 French

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No offense to Kathy Horvath, but Martina's probably still scratching her head over that one. That one loss was bad enough that she fired Renee Richards. Martina had no business losing to her on clay or any other surface.

At least when Chris Evert failed to reach the semis of a slam, she picked some good players to go out against. There was no shame in losing to Kathy Jordan, Lori McNeil, Aranxta Sanchez, and Zina Garrison.

Throughout most of Hana's career she tended to lose to respectable players at the slams as well. But she never, under any circumstances should have lost at 83 Wimbledon to Candy Reynolds, 87 French to Nathalie Herreman, and 89 French to Andrea Vierra.

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4R of 1964 US Open
Susman [11] d. Smith [2] 4-6 6-4 6-4

QF of 1963 French
Sukova[8] d. Smith(1) 6-3 8-6

Margaret rarely lost to anyone ranked so low in a major.

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3R of 1983 Wimbledon
K. Jordan d. Evert Lloyd [2] 6-1 7-6

Chris was sick and had a good excuse, but this one loss was the only pre-SF defeat for Evert until the twilight of her career.

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And who can ever forget the Monica Seles loss at the U.S. Open to Linda Ferrando?!?

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4R of 1964 US Open
Susman [11] d. Smith [2] 4-6 6-4 6-4

QF of 1963 French
Sukova[8] d. Smith(1) 6-3 8-6

Margaret rarely lost to anyone ranked so low in a major.

At least Susman and Sukova were a Wimbledon Champion and runner-up, funnily enough in the same year in which Margaret was shocked by the then relatively unknown Billie Jean Moffitt.

However, I would say her worst defeat was in the L16 at RG in 1971 to Gail Chanfreau 6-3 6-4. Chanfreau was a handy enough player who won many small tournaments from weaker fields but you would have put your mortgage on Court to win that one.

Margaret Thatcher - Michele Bachmann two strong women of our time.
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However, I would say her worst defeat was in the L16 at RG in 1971 to Gail Chanfreau 6-3 6-4. Chanfreau was a handy enough player who won many small tournaments from weaker fields but you would have put your mortgage on Court to win that one.
Forgot about the Chanfreau loss. I know Court played through mid-July with her pregnancy, but I wonder how far along she was when she lost to Chanfreau. I'm sure pregnant women have days that things just don't go according to plan.

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Hana Mandlikova - like Wade they are too numerous to narrow down.
'82 Wimbledon - she was r/u the year before
64 L Candy REYNOLDS (USA) 3-6 6-2 4-6

'82 Aussie
32 L Eva PFAFF (FRG) 6-3 2-6 0-6

'83 Wimbledon
16 L Jennifer MUNDEL-REINBOLD (USA) 7-5 4-6 4-6

'85 Wimbledon
32 L Elizabeth SMYLIE (AUS) 1-6 6-7

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Throughout most of Hana's career she tended to lose to respectable players at the slams as well. But she never, under any circumstances should have lost at 83 Wimbledon to Candy Reynolds, 87 French to Nathalie Herreman, and 89 French to Andrea Vierra.
You know, HanaFanGA: I saw Mandlikova's match with Vierra. Under normal circumstances, I would never expect Hana to lose to Vierra. However, on that particular day, I remember thinking there was no way Vierra could lose that match. She outplayed Hana, and it felt like she was trying to let it slip away vs. Hana actually winning it. That was the first time it ever entered my mind that Hana's best days truly were behind her, especially on clay. In fact, I'm not sure Hana ever had many quality wins after that French Open and she retired a year later at Wimbledon. By the time 1989 rolled around, I think clay was a tough surface for Hana, and she as likely to lose as to win, in fact maybe even more likely to lose. I'd almost put that 87 loss to Heremann into the category of not a shocker. True, Hana had a good win over Graf in 86 at the French, but in that case, it was Graf's lack of experience as much as Hana that did her in. The worst Hana match I ever saw may have been her last win, which came against Laura Lapi in a ridiculously long third set. She truly stunk up the place, and you could tell it was time to retire. I know she lost the next round, but can't remember who to.
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Christine Truman was a Wimbledon favorite in '58 and '59 as the #2 and #1 seed. Yet her tournaments came to surprisingly early ends.

1958
4R Mimi Arnold d. Truman [2] 10-8 6-3
Arnold was a fair player, but shouldn't have taken out Truman on the home grass.

1959
4R Yola Rameriez d. Truman [1] 6-3 6-2
On clay this wouldn't have been a surprise, but Truman was #1 and at home.

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