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Fingers Fortescu and Bud Collins' Uncle Studley

Growing up in the 80's, my tennis viewing was pretty much restricted to whatever NBC and CBS gave us here in the States. So naturally the commentator that stands out the most in my memory is the irrepressable Bud Collins.

I might have to wear a veil of shame for this, but I grew up actually believing all of Collins' stories about Fingers Fortescu, the net judge, and his Uncle Studley. For a time, I actually believed it every time that Bud introduced the net judge as a great grand daughter or grand son of the late, great Fingers Fortescu who was the greatest net judge in the history of tennis. I never stopped to question the fact that this historical figure would have had to have sired children on 6 of the 7 continents to make all that Collins said about him true!

And I loved the story that Bud told during Wimbledon one year about his Uncle Studley. He said that he could never introduce him to either Princess Diana or Chris Evert because he admitted to some "lustful" feelings for both women!

Gosh, where would tennis be here in the states without Bud Collins?

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In case you haven't seen this: http://budcollinstennis.com
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Growing up in the 80's, my tennis viewing was pretty much restricted to whatever NBC and CBS gave us here in the States. So naturally the commentator that stands out the most in my memory is the irrepressable Bud Collins.

I might have to wear a veil of shame for this, but I grew up actually believing all of Collins' stories about Fingers Fortescu, the net judge, and his Uncle Studley. For a time, I actually believed it every time that Bud introduced the net judge as a great grand daughter or grand son of the late, great Fingers Fortescu who was the greatest net judge in the history of tennis. I never stopped to question the fact that this historical figure would have had to have sired children on 6 of the 7 continents to make all that Collins said about him true!

And I loved the story that Bud told during Wimbledon one year about his Uncle Studley. He said that he could never introduce him to either Princess Diana or Chris Evert because he admitted to some "lustful" feelings for both women!

Gosh, where would tennis be here in the states without Bud Collins?
I clearly remember watching tennis matches on TV (mostly Wimbledon and the U.S. Open on NBC and CBS) when I was a child, and remember vividly how my parents used to remark every time Bud Collins came on screen with his microphone in hand, and those loud pants and loud ties and that inimitible voice and delivery of his. My mother would exclaim "Oh, why do they let him do that?!?", and my father wouldn't say anything at all (probably from having been around sportswriters for years himself). I tended back then to side with my mother's views, and thought he was generally obnoxious and an eyesore on what would otherwise have been a pleasurable tennis viewing experience. Over the years, I have changed my views on him drastically. What he did, especially for we attention-span depraved Americans of the 70s and 80s, was focus attention and get people to sit up and notice and see the tennis on the TV screen, and pay attention. One of my favorite axioms about tennis is the "when all are in white, the eye is on the play" descriptive about lawn tennis. Bud Collins quite often brought my attention back to the tennis when I could have been wandering off and losing attention when I was a child.

AndyT and I have discussed his "Modern Encyclopedia of Tennis" series, and the serious statistical errors several of those volumes have contained. While this error does do disservice to even the average reader, I must conclude that on the whole, he has not only been good for tennis, but he has served to perpetuate its popularity (especially Stateside) through many a lean year. Think about Howard Cosell and apply the same standards to Bud Collins, and you get the picture.

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Great link Santorofan! I'm glad to see that Bud has his own website.

I agree Alfa, I'm a little surprised at the number of errors that I found in his Encyclopedia of Tennis. In fact, under one picture of Hana he identifies her as Helena Sukova! What's amazing to me is that there have been several revisions and its never been corrected.

But, like you, I really can't hold it against him. In some cases, he made matches that weren't very interesting quite fun to watch with his commentary. I used to enjoy his trading barbs with Joanne Russell. How many times did he bring up her dismal record against Chris?

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Great link Santorofan! I'm glad to see that Bud has his own website.

I agree Alfa, I'm a little surprised at the number of errors that I found in his Encyclopedia of Tennis. In fact, under one picture of Hana he identifies her as Helena Sukova! What's amazing to me is that there have been several revisions and its never been corrected.

But, like you, I really can't hold it against him. In some cases, he made matches that weren't very interesting quite fun to watch with his commentary. I used to enjoy his trading barbs with Joanne Russell. How many times did he bring up her dismal record against Chris?
PLUS- how can you fault someone who, even though he wrote most of the book himself, produced the first biography on the great Evonne Goolagong ("EVONNE, ON THE MOVE!")?

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Bud, what can you say about bud, plenty! There aren't many in the
tennis community that don't have an opinion on Bud Collins. He sure
does have a unique style, his commentary and fashion sence LOL,
but overall I think he's a great guy. I havent read his book, but
I find it a real shame he hasnt proof read it more closely considering
the error's you're mentioning, but I feel he's always been very fair
to any of the players in a match he worked, including the '85
Wimby SF where Joanne Russelll was clearly not a fan of Kathy
Rinaldi, and Bud kept having to come to "Kathy's defense" because
of some of the comments she was making. His "OOOO's" during some
of the matches became annoying sometimes, but his best scream
came at the best moment in tennis for me, the '85 FO F, Chrissie's
final backhand pass to win the match and tournament.
He clearly loved the Chris / Martina rivalry, and it was great to hear
his appreciation through the years, for them, and all of tennis.
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I always found his "you're watching a phoenix in a mini-skirt" comment during the 1999 French Open Graf/Hingis match particularly grating...

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And then there was the time during the '86 FO Final where
Bud was mentioning how a reporter asked Chris if she had
ever doublefaulted twice in a game before, and said Chrissie
didnt like that question, so what does he do at the end of
the match, mentions Chrissie's 5 double faults in the first
set and asks "have you ever done that, in your career?"!
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one of buds comments that kept creeping back into my mind as funny was when joanne said, 'that was a real grunt of exhasperation' and bud says, "A grunt of exhasperation, you say? And what about the sexy grunts...what do THOSE mean?" in the most lecherous voice you can imagine, with pauses and emphasis in all the right places. No one could respond. They had to have been giggling under their notebooks at the sheer audacity and ridiculousness ...parred of course with it actually being very funny.

another of my favs is during the 85 newport final, he reads the "rights" about copyright infringement of broadcasts, and then says 'what about my uncle studdley?! you can't try to stop HIM from making an honest living. This is America!" so true, so true...i think i've traded with his uncle studdley!

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Okay, then, from lack of input, let's stimulate the conversations here a bit by turning this thread into a "Bud Collins quotes you remember" thread (that is, if no one minds- HanaFanGA, I beg your permission)...

I'll start- (1993 Wimbledon, when Chris Evert made the comment that something was definitely wrong with Martina Navratilova, and that her timing was off during her semi-final loss to Jana Novotna)

"What was wrong with Martina was Jana Novotna!"

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That may be jumpin' the gun a tad, alfa...there are plenty of things to say about bud. I dont personally like him in comparison to a better half of the commentators, and think he's a child-molestation candidate. BUT...I have been very surprised, to the point where I am no longer surprised, at some very astute comments he has made at key points, and sometimes MONUMENTAL career-changing points, in a match where bud picks up on something that no one else in the booth is on to. He has truly seen it all and and lets face it, has been sitting there, watching live, a greater number of the very historical matches we talk about on here. AND THEN interviewed the players and heard every one of those press conferences from 1970-on. I do think if an interview style book was done with Bud to mine information from that cranium, it would be a startling jewel of tennis history.

however, i do not believe that jana novotna EVER had enough zing to force Martina Navratilova into poor timing. I'd bet it was being 36 years old that did it.
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That may be jumpin' the gun a tad, alfa...there are plenty of things to say about bud. I dont personally like him in comparison to a better half of the commentators, and think he's a child-molestation candidate. BUT...I have been very surprised, to the point where I am no longer surprised, at some very astute comments he has made at key points, and sometimes MONUMENTAL career-changing points, in a match where bud picks up on something that no one else in the booth is on to. He has truly seen it all and and lets face it, has been sitting there, watching live, a greater number of the very historical matches we talk about on here. AND THEN interviewed the players and heard every one of those press conferences from 1970-on. I do think if an interview style book was done with Bud to mine information from that cranium, it would be a startling jewel of tennis history.

however, i do not believe that jana novotna EVER had enough zing to force Martina Navratilova into poor timing. I'd bet it was being 36 years old that did it.
One of my favorite Bud Collins stories is the one he tells about the first time he ever saw Billie Jean Moffitt- 1960 in a small tournament outside of Boston. Bud was a sportswriter for the Boston Globe and he fondly captured all that is bubbly and effervescent about the BJK on-court persona that many people either love or hate- perfectly. I agree with you about the interview-style book- it would be an eye-opener, and I wonder if he isn't actually compiling such a book himself, in fact, I'd be surprised if he isn't. I never got the child molestation vibe from him at all- and as much as I hate to speculate about a strangers' sexuality- I'll be frank with you- I always just thought he was one of us coming up in a world less easy than you and I did.

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P.S.- I remember watching a Novotna/Navratilova indoor match (on TV) years ago- the (1989 or 90?) VS of Chicago if memory serves, and clearly Jana did have the zing- she missed a volley when she was up match point and just crumbled after that in a tight third set (when Marti was much younger, I might add).

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I never got the child molestation vibe from him at all- and as much as I hate to speculate about a strangers' sexuality- I'll be frank with you- I always just thought he was one of us coming up in a world less easy than you and I did.
i can really appreciate this sentence.

well, lets just say, he likes young girls (age 13-15). you should listen to him droolily commentate the sabatini break-through at hilton head 1985. even his enthusiasm for little chrissie back in 71 was bounding on inappropriate. but his wife doesnt seem to mind his oogling.

happy holiday season, btw, alfa!
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Just a thought here: not all eccentric individuals are either homosexuals or child molesters Further, there's a big difference btwn complementing someone (some would say verbally "drooling") and actually touching. Personally, while I do not agree with everything the man has ever said, I do believe our game is a better one because of him.
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