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Times like this I'm glad Internet wasn't around 10 years ago

This probably isn't a BFTP topic but I had to say it somewhere. Just look at the sad state GM is in now. It's like all hell broke loose - and about something almost completely irrelevant and meaningless. I shudder to think what would have happened if this board existed in the early 90's, for example.
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I'm at least grateful things remain civil, informative and spirited here, but you're right; a quick visit to GM is a good reminder of how things could be (here), but thankfully, by and large, aren't
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The internet doesn't half make you feel ancient at times. In the late '80s / early '90s I didn't even have Teletext at home let alone internet services and I remember having to wait until the next day to find out the scores from matches in the newspapers. Quite often they would miss a day and another round would have been played by then.
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Your post sure brought back memories MLF. [email protected] sitting around at dawn just waiting for the morning newspaper during slams to see if my favorites had survived. I thought I was in heaven when they started doing 15 minute highlight shows of Wimbledon or the US open at midnight!
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I'd guess it would all look a lot like this thread.


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Frequently I couldn't even wait til daybreak! Oft times my method was peskering local newspaper affiliates by telephone during the wee hours, particularly for matches results on other continents...certainly I wasn't the only one though
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my family should be glad that we were not living in the usa but close to germany which gave irma opportunity to have german teletext that updates often sets and scores within 10 minutes except at night. I think I had not survived otherwise (j/k)

that said if I had been on the internet then I had probably been banned a lot since I probably wouldn't have even tried to be nuanced or anything. I had been as worse as a person could be
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You usually also didn't have the schedule of play which meant you sometimes had to spend the whole day in front of the tele in order to watch your fave play.

I didn't even have cable TV in 1989. I had teletext but at times you had to wait til dawn when they printed the "latest" results.

I wasn't into Tennis before 1984, so I missed the real hard times when there was almost nothing but the newspaper. I mean, at times you probably didn't even know if your fave is playing a certain Grand Slam at all until you found her quarterfinal result in some newspaper.

Information about the world rankings was also very rare. In the mid 80s I still had to wait for the monthly Tennis Magazine to get the current rankings (or at least one that is not so old).
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I'll share a portion of a private e-mail from this morning (I don't think Helen Lawson will mind) that I think is apropos to this thread:

Sucking up to Serena fans? That's a hoot. I have consistently maintained that I am first and foremost a fan of tennis, and the players themselves are irrelevant. I don't worship any particular player. Naturally, I have my favorites, but I think anyone who has been reading my posts realizes they are my favorites because of the fight they bring to the game. I love watching players who don't give up and really go with the game- ie. Graf, S.Williams, BJK, Seles, Henin-Hardenne, etc. It's when someone like Conchita Martinez or Natasha Zvereva or Hana Mandlikova got out there and tanked a match away that I really get irritated. Most of the posters on the board have no clue how much of a gift playing tennis is. Most people on this planet don't have that opportunity, and here are all these kids taking it for granted and dumping on whose favorite is better than whose- missing the point entirely.

Hope I don't alienate anyone, but my point in sharing this is that the BFTP is a nice, safe haven in which to retreat and maintain your composure, but still, it's worth it to get out there into GM and communicate and share your thoughts once in a while. Every now and then someone actually sees a mirror in what you are sharing, and good things come of it.
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You usually also didn't have the schedule of play which meant you sometimes had to spend the whole day in front of the tele in order to watch your fave play.

I didn't even have cable TV in 1989. I had teletext but at times you had to wait til dawn when they printed the "latest" results.

I wasn't into Tennis before 1984, so I missed the real hard times when there was almost nothing but the newspaper. I mean, at times you probably didn't even know if your fave is playing a certain Grand Slam at all until you found her quarterfinal result in some newspaper.

Information about the world rankings was also very rare. In the mid 80s I still had to wait for the monthly Tennis Magazine to get the current rankings (or at least one that is not so old).
Ah yes wonderful times: I remember waiting for the stage coach to arrive from London with the weekly post in order to see if Mrs Lambert Chambers had won the challenge round and to know if she'd exposed an ankle in stretching for a shot.
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And I miss the times when the bottle post from England to Europe told me that Lottie Dod had just (ie 5 weeks earlier) won the Championships at the Lawn Tennis and Cricket Club.
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And I miss the times when the bottle post from England to Europe told me that Lottie Dod had just (ie 5 weeks earlier) won the Championships at the Lawn Tennis and Cricket Club.
Didn't they have carrier pigeons back then in Europe? Oh, that's right, the French were busy shrouding their heads with linen cloth as they ate their squabs without utensils back then. Boy, another discovery evidencing the advanced culture of the American peoples over their Euro counterparts in the early days of tennis!
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We ate the pigeons which inspired Ronald McDonald to create the McFly. What would this world be without him.
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We ate the pigeons which inspired Ronald McDonald to create the McFly. What would this world be without him.
Bloody Hell!!!

So how are you Robert1? You've been away for a while and the board has suffered in your absence. Are things well with you? What did you think of the YEC level of play as compared to previous years? Have you played lately?
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I'd guess it would all look a lot like this thread.
Dear Rollo,

Say what you will about the GM Forum, but this thing is for sure. It ain't boring. From time to time, it can even be more entertaining than the tennis itself.

With all due respect to the people who contribute to this forum, discussions around here are sometimes not even intellectually interesting. Plus, isn't there more to life than intellectual enrichment? And, I am speaking as someone who is an intellectual by profession.

In all of my intellectual endeavors, I am bound to uphold the same rules of civil discourse that we agreed a while back to follow here. I am willing to follow those rules happily in that context because those rules in the hands of individuals who are capable of asking and answering very challenging questions can lead to very interesting results, some of which can end up challenging, in only the most rational way, the very rules of civil discourse that made the dialogue possible in the first place. In this context, I fear however that our apprehension about breaking the rules may have led to a stifling politeness or sterile gentility that defuses all contradiction. And, perhaps that is why I am not so happy about what the rules have done to our discourse in this forum.

In other words, I for one think that contradiction is a good thing, whether it is dialectical or not. And, that is what is so utterly fascinating about the GM Forum. There is contradiction wherever you look. Now, as I've already conceded, this contradiction may not necessarily be dialectical, meaning it may not ultimately be conducive to a higher truth. But, unlike the situation in the political and social discourse of the US, that is not a foregone conclusion on the GM Forum. And as long as it isn't, these contradictions are worth cultivating. And, through the cultivation of those contradictions and all of their aftereffects, it may turn out yet as I have found recently that consensus might still be possible. And out of a consensus forged by contradiction might arise the general realization that we've already reached here: If you want anyone to address you respectfully and logically you've got to stop with the ad hominem attacks.

In the meantime, what is wrong with a little entertainment, particularly at the expense of a ship of fools? Considering that that's exactly what Jonathan Swift was doing when he wrote "Gulliver's Travels," it can even turn out to be a very literate endeavor in the end. While I understand and respect the commitment most of you have to rising above the fray, I would still like to call your attention to the reality that nothing is going to change over there unless we exercise all our faculties of reason (i.e., satire, parody, allegory, etc.) and force others to talk to us in a reasonable way.

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