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Martina premiere/1931 TCM newsreel

On November 14th 2004 the Tennis Channel will be premiering Martina Navratilova: Farewell to a Champion at 8pm PST. The show will be re-broadcasted throughout the following weeks, as well as a 30 minute segment to debut the following day entitled, Tennis Insiders: Then vs Now which sounds potentially interesting. In addition, over a dozen different WITC matches from 1973-76 will be airing throughout the month of November in which Court/King/Wade/Evert/Goolagong/Reid/Barker/Fromholtz and others were participants (these matches are repeats shown earlier in the year).

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In addition, over a dozen different WITC matches from 1973-76 will be airing throughout the month of November in which Court/King/Wade/Evert/Goolagong/Reid/Barker/Fromholtz and others were participants (these matches are repeats shown earlier in the year).
you know THAT'S bad news...that means none of the "4 or 5" full catalogs of classic matches they said they were on the brink of obtaining came through.

shucks....[kicks can.]
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Daze: Yup, it does seems that way. Perhaps someone might give Bellamy a nudge regarding the matter...that classic repeats are ok but some "new" unearthed relics would be much appreciated! Still, at least the Martina premiere sounds promising, & I enjoyed Rosie's interview from last month
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1931 Tennis newsreel to broadcast on TCM

Just thought I'd bump up this thread up since the Martina show premieres this weekend. Also, for those interested, I noticed that on the Turner Classic Movie channel they will be airing a "Festival of Shorts" segment #36 early in the early morning (5:30am EST) of Dec 1st. Included will be a MGM Sports Champion short on "Tennis Technique" from 1931 - I believe it's about 10-15 minutes in length, so you may wish to program your VCRs accordingly.
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Nobody wants to touch this one, huh??

OK, well, I watched some of it....They should not have asked Chris so many opinions about Martina's choices, as though she were somehow an appropriate editor to martina's life. it made me cringe. And Martina should not have claimed that she was proud to have played the sport "the way it should be played"...trying to imagine any other player who might make a statement like that. That also made me cringe. And I'm glad I had missed the original 1994 press conference when she announced she was retiring, saying "Well, here is the announcement many of you have been waiting for for at least ten years" with a bitter chord in her voice. That seemed dramatically anti-climactic for such a grand champion, who then added, "I have been in the twilight of my career for longer than most players HAVE a career" as though there was still something to prove after all of that winning. But aside from these, it had some very thoughful moments, wouldn't you say?

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Daze: Thanks for your thoughts; it sounds "interesting." I missed the Sunday broadcast but plan to view it latter this week....but as I stated a few days ago on the quote thread, thankfully there isn't one right way to play this sport
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Daze: Thanks for your thoughts; it sounds "interesting." I missed the Sunday broadcast but plan to view it latter this week....but as I stated a few days ago on the quote thread, thankfully there isn't one right way to play this sport
i know...i was really, really surprised by that...and the tone of conviction it was said with was just...insulting. To be a tennis great, surely you understand that the 'right' way to play is the one in accord with your own personality and instincts, and not by some random external standard. I wish I could say I thought she meant that she was merely playing Martina's game in Martina's way...which is one way to put it, but it seemed heavier than that. I really was praying for a more flattering portrayal...but these were Martina's own chosen comments upon being interviewed; she wasnt being positioned by an editor in a 'harsh light'...I'll be interested to hear others feedback on it once you've all had a chance to see it.

Instead of "Farewell to a Champion" it seemed like it could've been called "The Bitter Farewell"...they even show chrissie playing with her kids with martina voice-over saying, 'hey, chris had it easy, she could just go off and have kids' and I was like....'jeez, you're even complaining about THIS off-court 'line call' by fate like its a match where someone has done you wrong again?!' lord, when will the 'poor me, pity me' attitude subside? I'm sitting there doing everything in my power to like the girl and give her her props, but...I guess I don't respond well to that tactic.

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Chris Evert: "Don't hate me 'cause I'm pretty, blonde, feminine and heterosexual."

Seriously though, Evert seemingly accepts others all too well, and even more, s at their achievements...it's a shame so often that it doesn't come back by a few others, at least on a consistent basis. Think about it; Chris has practically nothing but great things to say about, Martina, Billie, Steffi, etc, but seemingly that respect doesn't always bounce back her way. I mean, I like BJK and Martina, met them both when I was really young and was very impressed by how they treated me (BJK yelling encouragement to me mid match, several courts away). But what's with the occassional bitterness and resentment? Why can't people simply be happy for one another, period? AlfaJ kinda touched upon it several days ago on the quote thread, vis-a-vis Lisa Raymond regarding the women's tour. All these players have a ton to be thankful for, it's time they all start acting like it
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'Tis true, 'tis true...I got a whif of it even last night, when BJK ominously hovered in the background looking very sternly at serena during the post-match ceremony...i couldnt make up my mind what she was possibly thinking. but they mentioned something about the stroing desire to keep the great players involved with the sport after their time has passed.

Chris does have the academy and does tons of promo for tennis week etc., and lends her name to the publishing angle at tennis mag. BUT its true...she's not really involved. Or i-n-v-o-l-v-e-d. But I think it should be quite clear from her legacy, as it continues to exist, that the lady has done far enough for the sport of tennis and should be allowed, no questions asked, to have a life of her own. BJK sometimes seems to see that and other times thinks her mission should be everyone's mission.
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Guys, I often get the impression that both BJK and Martina never quite convinced themselves that they had achieved all they could have and that Chris, on the other hand - the odd regret for a particular match aside - is very much satisfied and at peace with her entire career and overall record. I wonder if this has sth to do with the fact that neither M nor BJK hit real the top until their Wimbledon wins around the ages of 21 and their attainment of a period of domination only in their mid-20s. Chris and Steffi both enjoyed periods of supremacy earlier in their lives and careers and maybe the psychological impact of this plays a role. Just speculating really but i'd be interested in your thoughts.
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Guys, I often get the impression that both BJK and Martina never quite convinced themselves that they had achieved all they could have and that Chris, on the other hand - the odd regret for a particular match aside - is very much satisfied and at peace with her entire career and overall record. I wonder if this has sth to do with the fact that neither M nor BJK hit real the top until their Wimbledon wins around the ages of 21 and their attainment of a period of domination only in their mid-20s. Chris and Steffi both enjoyed periods of supremacy earlier in their lives and careers and maybe the psychological impact of this plays a role. Just speculating really but i'd be interested in your thoughts.
Funny that you should mention that very point...I recently got a 'champion's ceremony' that was done for chris back in 1987, as a pre-retirement 'we know you're gonna retire soon' type affair. And on that program, Bud Collins says that he spoke with Billie Jean King about the career of Chris Evert, and that BJK's remark was that "Chris is one of the few players who will be able to walk away from her career never wondering whether she gave everything she could back to the sport; she will never have to question that."

So Chris didn't have any particluar reaction to that, actually...she kind of looked like, "Hmm..ok, well, that's interesting" but nothing more. But the fact that BJK thought of it as something to say meant it was uppermost on HER own mind...and served as a better mirror into Billie Jean than into Chris, as comments so often do. So you may have something there indeed, AndyT!!!

Jaeger also had great success very early on, and even though she could be bitter for being 'forced' into retirement by injury, she came out like a dozen roses...really giving herself to an....'outer' cause in life.

So the early resolving of a sense of success in the self may also be a factor, as you say. We certainly do fall into behavior patterns, and the older we get, the harder they are to break.

But I wouldn't call Martina 'unsuccessful' even at the beginning. I got a tape of her loss to Goolagong in the finals of the Australian Open in 1975. And already, the "Now I know I shouldn't have partied so much last night" was handed to the audience as an excuse for losing. Goolagong picked up on it very quickly, though, and said in her speech, "I am also certainly glad that last night didn't take its toll on me too much" as a kind of, 'listen, M, we were both in the same boat, ok?' ... but I do understand to the extent that Martina was not the success she yet wanted to be, and showed she was able to become. It's hard to put ourselves into the mind of someone who has the desire to achieve at the level we are talking about.

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...another issue is that chris does have a strong sense of just being LUCKY; of just being thankful for the blessing that was her life. She certainly knows her siblings and friends on the circuit had the same desire to be what Chris became, and that they couldn't. She was the anointed one...no amount of hoping and trying is going to make you great if you aren't given the basic foundation by nature to rise to that level. And while she did work to bring out the best from what she had, there are hundreds on thousands who could have that same desire and are not going to make it, or even come close. That's what's hard for me to accept with a Navratilova...to have THAT much and still say the world did you wrong...is oddly very american spoiled entitlement thinking. Look what 90% of the world has to deal with day to day and then complain about the trials of royalty...especially strange perspective for a world traveller in an international sport. I have a lot more empathy for someone who is working 12 hours a day for 1 american dollar...in addition to perhaps being a lesbian in a small town!!
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They showed it again tonight..this time i only missed the first 3 minutes. sadly, at LEAST 50% of this footage (interview & otherwise) was taken directly from the espn feature on martina!! i was like 'deja vu, deja vu' and i guess that is an issue with TTC budget (??).
Anyway, she DID confirm her belief that serve and volley was the game for the one "in control" and was clearly the "better" way to play. Of course, Chrissie would argue that she dictated pace and control of her matches from the back of the court...she was not Manuela Maleeva after all, passively being controlled but slyly tiring out her opponent with boring consistency. But anyway, this is how Martina sees it. Serve & Volley is the one true way to play.

If I hear Chris called "safe" one more time, I'm going to vomit. It may add to our conversation about BJK & Martina in their attitude toward chris that they both made mention of how safe & unthreatening Chris is, and that's why everyone likes her. Well, that's their excuse. there are a lot of people who are not lesbian and unthreatening...Chris was well liked because she showed the deepest dignity in the deepest of holes, so to speak. She was a class act and played with almost poetic grace. AND had her own 'chrissie' sense of style. So it seems BJK & MN have SOME issues with Chris NOT being part of the lesbo club. That is a shame, indeed. I guess they feel "SAFE" with one another's lifestyle but not Evert's. It made me realize that I think HER lifestyle is actually threatening to them.

the other footage with interviews with MN's parents regarding the 70s wimbledon wins, of martina defecting, early 80s training regimine, and issues of sexuality, sponsorship, and the trial with judy nelson were all in other programs before. But her talking about rita mae brown was a new portion of that interview to me and was very nicely put. OH! And the 86 fed cup footage from prague was cool, though again they did not mention or show hana's allegiance to martina in al that drama...dont know how any editor worth his salt could leave that out. But anyway, that's the only update on my end.

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I finally caught the Martina segment. I have to say that I certainly enjoyed various parts of it, particularly the footage of numerous matches from Wimbledon (how bout that volley exchange btwn she and Evert at net; great point!). Further, I think the show captured what I do and do not like in Navratilova as a player/individual. For instance, while I genuinely appreciated her expressiveness and candor, the occassional arrogance she exhibits both on and off the court is something that hasn't exactly grown on me over the years. Conversely, this is the exact trait which I admire so much in a player like Evert. Win or lose, her graciousness is unparalled, and I think that much of the public's respect and admiration for Chris is centered upon this particular quality, not simply because she made them feel "safe" per se. Speaking for myself, I admire hardcore individualists and people who challenge the current orthodoxy whether in tennis or society, so in a sense such comments border on insultive to Chris's fans. What an assumption on BJK and Nav's part, that Evert's fans like her because she was pretty and heterosexual. Big deal; tennis has always had such players. In a conventional sense, yes, Evert certainly is attractive, but IMV that alone would never have sustained such interest and fondness for the champion. Even under the profound pain and humiliation of defeat (think the '79 US Open final), without exception Evert was at the net warmly congratulating her opponent - this coming from a highly competitive player who simply hated to lose. Martina, on the other hand, was equally competitive though at times inconsistant in showing respect, occassionally displaying a cockiness in her interviews, on court behavior and public commentary...so in my view, this factor was arguably even more influential than other issues (national status, gay, etc) repeatedly mentioned on why the public was occassionally lukewarm in receiving her.

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