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Grand Slam losers

I was thinking who are the true "losers" when it comes to GS tennis? Players that have been to at least 2 finals and always lost. There are not that many, but here are the ones I have found. Feel free to add to the list.

Kim Clijsters (4): USO 2003, FO 2003, AO 2004, FO 2001
Jan Lehane (4): AO 1960-63
Helena Sukova (4): USO 1993, OA 1989, USO 1986, AO 1984

Lili de Alvarez (3): W 1926-28
Mary Jo Fernandez (3): FO 1993, AO 1992, AO 1990
Jadwiga Jedrzejowska (3): FO 1939, USO 1937, W 1937
Germaine Golding (3): FO 1921-23
Wendy Turnbull (3): AO 1980, FO 1979, USO 1977

Elena Dementieva (2): FO 2004, USO 2004
Andrea Jaeger (2): W 1983, FO 1982
Sylvia Hanika (2): FO 1981, FO 1980
Dorothy Head-Knode (2): FO 1957, FO 1955
Olga Morozova (2): W 1974, FO 1974
A. Morton (2): W 1908-9
Yola Ramirez (2): FO 1960-1
Renata Tomanova (2): FO 1976, AO 1976
Marion Zinderstein (2): USO 1919-20
Helen Gourlay-Cawley (2): RG 1971, AO 1976.



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Angela Mortimer won Wimbledon in 61 and the Aus and the French, so shouldn't be on the list. Chrsitine Truman was also a RG winner.

Helen Gourlay-Cawley lost RG in 71 and Aus in 76.

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Thanks, I am still looking at the list. It's an eye-sore


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Sylvia Hanika hasn't reached the FO final in 80! She reached the final once, in 81, lost to Hana in straight sets.
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As an American with just a little native (Cherokee) blood coursing through these veins, I'd have to add the diminutive, but effervescent Rosie Casals, and be very spirited about it!

1970: Margaret Court def. Rosie Casals (U.S. Open)

1971: Billie Jean King def. Rosie Casals (U.S. Open)



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I guess Helena Sukova was playing at a tough time. She was coming through while Navratilova & Evert were still playing great tennis and Hana was still dangerous. Helena probably thought that if she could hang around then she could sneak in once they retired but then along came another few all time greats Graf, Sanchez Vicario & then Seles to put a spanner in the works.
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It seems like all of the above players that I know much about were huge underdogs when they got to the title match. Looking at Sukova, MJF, Lehane, Morozova, Casals, and Turnbull, I don't see a finals matchup that actually gave them much a chance. Turnbull could've won a weak Aussie in the 70's but didn't play. Clijsters is probably the only player on that list that underachieved by not winning. The rest of the players did an awesome job just getting to a final or two.

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It seems like all of the above players that I know much about were huge underdogs when they got to the title match. Looking at Sukova, MJF, Lehane, Morozova, Casals, and Turnbull, I don't see a finals matchup that actually gave them much a chance. Turnbull could've won a weak Aussie in the 70's but didn't play. Clijsters is probably the only player on that list that underachieved by not winning. The rest of the players did an awesome job just getting to a final or two.
Yes, very few of them are close matches....
MJF I think had Graf a break in 3rd set at FO
Clijsters ran Jen close at FO and really could've won against Henin in Oz.
Casals did take a set of a limping Marg Court in the US
Sukova managed a set against Evert but was blown away after.

Most of the others were very easy, particularly Lehane who was unable to grab a set in any of her losses to Court.

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MJF had Steffi on the ropes and should've won that FO final. I thought she choked almost as badly as Jana at Wimbledon.

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MJF had Steffi on the ropes and should've won that FO final. I thought she choked almost as badly as Jana at Wimbledon.
Well, she had Steffi on the ropes but I'm not sure she should have won, even though I was really rooting for Mary Joe that day. Steffi was notoriously stubborn and even though Mary Joe was a break up in the 3rd she was only ever a game ahead, she never built up a clear gap like Jana did at Wimbledon.

I think Sukova's best chance for a slam was in the Australian Open 1990, where Graf was playing under par ( for her ) and Helena lost to her 6-3 3-6 6-4 in the semis, all the while looking like she could take that match.
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Well, she had Steffi on the ropes but I'm not sure she should have won, even though I was really rooting for Mary Joe that day. Steffi was notoriously stubborn and even though Mary Joe was a break up in the 3rd she was only ever a game ahead, she never built up a clear gap like Jana did at Wimbledon.

I think Sukova's best chance for a slam was in the Australian Open 1990, where Graf was playing under par ( for her ) and Helena lost to her 6-3 3-6 6-4 in the semis, all the while looking like she could take that match.
And likewise, I think Mary Joe Fernandez' best chance for a major was at the Australian Open semis a year or two later when she had Seles on the ropes and ended up rather timidly losing a third set. If memory serves, I think she may even have had a match point in that match, and let it go with nerves.

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I am not a fan of the "people should have won" theory. It's almost saying that the person who actually did win, didn't deserve it. A match doesn't have a matchpoint for nothing
I don't think Mary Joe really had Steffi on the ropes at the french though. It was not like in Berlin when she really broke down at 3:0 with two breaks and then lost 6 games in a row. In that match Steffi really looked out for a while, that wasn't really the case at the french imho!

Kim was two points away from winning the french 2001, but I guess it wasn't meant to be (this match was unbelievable though. If somebody on 13 august 99 had said that I would ever be watching a slamfinal with so much passion again then I had said no way, but Kim made it happen )
I really hope she can make a strong comeback next year and still win a slam.

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Yeah, Monica won that match 6-3 0-6 9-7 in 1991. Mary Joe did have match point but didn't really do anything on it, and like Steffi, Monica was in stubborn mode that day whilst playing under par - the opponent in the final was Novotna and I think Mary Joe would have liked her chances.

The Australian Open '96 was another what might have been tournament as Rubin lost a 5-2 3rd set lead against a stubborn Seles. We were only two points away from having a Rubin-Huber final there.

This is what set Seles & Graf apart from the rest of the pack to be the great champions of their day - the sheer will to win and refusal to give in even when struggling with their games.
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Watching the Graf/MJF FO final, I felt like MJF was controlling the points well in the third set until she got to the finish line. She was playing more agressively than Steffi. Then she got tight and played defensively. That's why I say she choked, because she obviously tightened up with victory in sight. Against Steffi, that's a death wish.

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