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Daze: are you sure you aren't a speechwriter? I bow
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W - O - W, Rollo! you really have your work cut out for you. Here, you tried to simply post a thread to discuss the future of BFTP, and again it turns into a rambling grafathon with just a few actual responsive comments to the thread itself. There WAS a time when there was some sense of but this respect for the boards has been disguarded with alarming regularity more recently and it definitely begs some curbing measures.

i will say, after having just "read" through the steffi backhand thread for instance, i can see where your frustration lies and why there is a cry out for ...it was an endlessly abusive mean-spirited informationless exercise.

So here's an idea. I think the bottom portion of your mission statement is itself a bit inflammatory, setting a mood that theres an assumption of pending immaturity from the posts, and i am still not under the impression that these personal attack oriented posts are the greater portion of posters, but a high percentage of the posts from certain posters. What we need to foster with a mission statement is a sense that BFTP is a forum for rational debate and discussion aimed at broadening understanding about players, trends, and issues pertaining to players of the past, with a concerted effort to avoid flagwaving, unmeasured adulation, and unproductive fanaticism unrelated to building on the 'threads' of conversation and shared information.

Additional measures could include, as in pro tennis--certainly more back in the day than now, but still--that there are on-court warnings followed by disqualification for poor conduct/throwing racquets/etc. A 'personal insults will not be tolerated' clause will cut down on the tangent-territory currently overtaking most discussions and will keep the infantilism we are invested in clearing from the current posting habits of the few from becoming the tedious burden and bore to the majority that they are.

That is not a limitation on free speech but an upholding of standards of conduct. When the conversation leaves tennis, especially in an inflammatory way, and goes toward personal attack, 'warnings' can be issued by the moderator. After a couple of those, you earn yourself a case of being blocked for 'x' amount of time from further posting.

You may not want to feel you are policing people, but thats what a chair and tournament referee does all over the world in tournaments. Just an idea to spread that sense of decency and 'good sportsmanship' from the courts and onto the boards.
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Daze: are you sure you aren't a speechwriter? I bow
Very True Rollo.
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Welcome to the Blast Athena-oh wise goddess of the Greeks.
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Welcome to the Blast Athena-oh wise goddess of the Greeks.
Thanks Rollo. That is highly appreciated.

It's really awesome to be a member of the FOREMOST and BEST Tennis Message Board in the world.

Keep up the good work.
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Hats off to Daze, Athena & Rollo, this thread is killer so far...and shall remain that way!
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well rollo, hopefully just the threat hanging of taking those measures would make you feel less powerless and frustrated against an onslaught of gibberish, and would--let's face it--ensure the boards are an enjoyable place for us all to come and share ideas on the sport and not have to fear having to walk away from our computers pounded with dirt from all the mud-slinging we had to read. We all come here to share and bask in the tennis eras we love, not to feel like we're on a kindergarten playground.

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To Rollo or Daze:

In the above post (attributed by Daze), could you please define what you mean by the following terms:

1) personal attack
2) rational debate and discussion
3) conversation and shared information
4) flagwaving, unmeasured adulation, and unproductive fanaticism

In defining these terms, could you please provide examples of what you mean. I am sure it would clarify for the rest what this coterie's thinking is on the subject.

The author of the post and Rollo have incorrectly assumed that the meaning of these terms is constant, categorical and universal. They are not. So, I'd be most interested to hear their further thoughts on the subject.
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To Rollo or Daze:

In the above post (attributed by Daze), could you please define what you mean by the following terms:

1) personal attack
2) rational debate and discussion
3) conversation and shared information
4) flagwaving, unmeasured adulation, and unproductive fanaticism

In defining these terms, could you please provide examples of what you mean. I am sure it would clarify for the rest what this coterie's thinking is on the subject.

The author of the post and Rollo have incorrectly assumed that the meaning of these terms is constant, categorical and universal. They are not. So, I'd be most interested to hear their further thoughts on the subject.
i think each member will figure out the meaning of those terms when they overstep a line of decency, find themselves with a warning, and are blocked from further use of the boards. direct experience is the best teacher.
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To Rollo or Daze:

In the above post (attributed by Daze), could you please define what you mean by the following terms:

1) personal attack
2) rational debate and discussion
3) conversation and shared information
4) flagwaving, unmeasured adulation, and unproductive fanaticism

In defining these terms, could you please provide examples of what you mean. I am sure it would clarify for the rest what this coterie's thinking is on the subject.

The author of the post and Rollo have incorrectly assumed that the meaning of these terms is constant, categorical and universal. They are not. So, I'd be most interested to hear their further thoughts on the subject.

Forget it. You're on the wrong side.
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well rollo, hopefully just the threat hanging of taking those measures would make you feel less powerless and frustrated against an onslaught of gibberish, and would--let's face it--ensure the boards are an enjoyable place for us all to come and share ideas on the sport and not have to fear having to walk away from our computers pounded with dirt from all the mud-slinging we had to read. We all come here to share and bask in the tennis eras we love, not to feel like we're on a kindergarten playground.
Very well said Daze.
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Hats off to Daze, Athena & Rollo, this thread is killer so far...and shall remain that way!
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i think each member will figure out the meaning of those terms when they overstep a line of decency, find themselves with a warning, and are blocked from further use of the boards. direct experience is the best teacher.
great!we can clearly trace the steffi backhand thread to find who first transfer the topic from steffi backhand to other things.
I want more wise peoples to look that thread
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great!we can clearly trace the steffi backhand thread to find who first transfer the topic from steffi backhand to other things.
I want more wise peoples to look that thread
since i made the post.....steffi actually hasnt been insulted in almost any cases by anybody; if someone wants to talk 'seles' in a post and doesnt mention 'graf', thats because steffi is not the center of the universe and is not part of the point a person is making. That does not constitute an insult to graf.

it is (SOME OF) the steffi supporters who, each time any other player is mentioned, must say 'that is nothing, don't you know steffi did THIS!' followed by 'but you are american, and only support US players' even though mandlikova sukova maleeva khode-kilsch graf seles bueno court goolagong hanika stove sabatini and an endless list of non-americans are constantly in discussion on the boards (and it should be mentioned that it was in the US that the heart of the womens tennis boom developed and popularized the sport to women around the world; for a long time, tennis was an american and australian obsession with the uk thrown in for good measure, and it is this period that the BFTP is often discussing)...and also should be mentioned that the bulk of posters here are...not themselves american.

followed by, on almost every post, a ...



... which is not there to represent 'light fun' but an 'i laugh at your foolish comment' even when the comment presented is the most unsupportable and tunnel-visioned than any in the thread.

That is disrespectful behavior to posters and the players they post about; that is insulting and immature behavior (its even insulting to have to point it out) that makes adults not want to be part of the discussion or even part of the website. A couple of naughty kids spitting and heckling on the playground get put in detension. The amount of 'play time' the adults get is too limited to have it ruined by people who apparently just want their own website to spout off to each other about...and websites are free to make for anyone. there's room on the internet for everyone to 'have a voice' in whichever way they choose but on wtaboards BFTP, there are simple rules of conduct to allow a GROUP to interact rather than an INDIVIDUAL to impose his will on every conversation.

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Specific posters from BOTH sides have been told not to return.

"Fans" [again-fron BOTH sides] who merely wish to extend the conflict are asked to go to General Messages.
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