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Vote: We need to decide on where the BFTP forum is heading

Please read and vote on the proposal below. Voting will limited to those who have posted to the BFTP before October 7, 2004. Voting will close after October 14.

For the past 3 years this forum has been a joy to me. Blast members have an amazing love of the sport and it's past champions. A lot of the information I've learned here we old timer's could only dream about before the internet.

3 years from now I hope the Blast will still be going strong. It's the future of this forum that concerns me. The role of a moderator is undefined, as is the very nature of our forum. I believe a mission statement would make the unique nature of the BFTP clearer to new members.

Having said, that, my vision may not be shared by the majority. In the end it is the majority who should decide. Please post comments and feel free to debate the following:

Mission Statement:

The Blast From the Past is a moderated forum devoted to the history of women's tennis and it's retired players. The primary focus of posters is our common celebration of past champions, their acheivements, and our great sport.

Fans who wish to devote threads to retired players are more than welcome here. There are also threads for all decades and eras. Debate is welcomed and encouraged. Please feel free to express your opinions, make others laugh, or make us cry, or even make us mad. Having said that, please remember that this is NOT general messages. So called "fans", whose MAIN INTEREST is centred around a recently retired personality will be encouraged to go to General Messages to conduct childish "wars" and name calling.

We welcome you to the Blast From The Past.

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Please read and vote on the proposal below. Voting will limited to those who have posted to the BFTP before October 7, 2004. Voting will close after Ocotber 14.

For the past 3 years this forum has been a joy to me. Blast members have an amazing love of the sport and it's past champions. A lot of the information I've learned here we old timer's could only dream about before the internet.

3 years from now I hope the Blast will still be going strong. It's the future of this forum that concerns me. The role of a moderator is undefined, as is the very nature of our forum. I believe a mission statement would make the unique nature of the BFTP clearer to new members.

Having said, that, my vision may not be shared by the majority. In the end it is the majority who should decide. Please post comments and feel free to debate the following:

Mission Statement:

The Blast From the Past is a moderated forum devoted to the history of women's tennis and it's retired players. The primary focus of posters is our common celebration of past champions, their acheivements, and our great sport.

Fans who wish to devote threads to retired players are more than welcome here. There are also threads for all decades and eras. Debate is welcomed and encouraged. Please feel free to express your opinions, make others laugh, or make us cry, or even make us mad. Having said that, please remember that this is NOT general messages. So called "fans", whose MAIN INTEREST is centred around a recently retired personality will be encouraged to go to General Messages to conduct childish "wars" and name calling.

We welcome you to the Blast From The Past.

Good morning, Rollo!

"Devoting threads to retired players" is good but having a "main interest centered around a recently retired personality" is bad? So we have to start/participate (in) threads more evenly - some about retired players, some about tennis books, some about stats, same about pre-war tennis outfits - right?
Or is the word "recently" important?
Where do you draw the line between "retired players" (where devoting threads is OK) and a "recently retired player" (where having a main interest is bad)? Between November 1994 and August 1999 or so?
Where do you draw the line between "expressing opinions" or "making us mad" and "childish wars"?

Hard questions indeed .....



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You've read my intent pretty well Calimero.


I would like to see more people here in the Blast-but should we be general messages? I'd hardly expect interest in all matters past-but we are a separate and smaller forum (in my opinion) for a reason.

Forgive me here-but I think you give more thought to Steffi being "the greatest" and Monica Seles in one day than Steffi probably dies in a year. If that does it for you-fine by me. But IMO that's what GM is for. Most people here have evolved beyond the "fan" stage. They are fans in the best sense of the word, like HanaFan or Irma or Kart to name only 3. They can take criticism of their favorites without a knee-jerk reaction.

My concern is what happens when more WTA stars retire.
Are we going to get same type of "fans" we see in GM?

If that's what the forum decides as a whole I won't stand in the way. On the other hand maybe it's time we define what the Blast is and isn't.

Separate forums for separate purposes.

You had a question:

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Where do you draw the line between "expressing opinions" or "making us mad" and "childish wars"?
You are exihibit A. Does that answer your question?

We have had heated battles before in the Blast. Cat fights galore. But the parties involved wern't solely obsessed about glorifying one person and trashing all others. Again, that's fine if that floats your boat, but IMO the place for that is general messages.

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I forgot to say back at you Calimero. Believe it or not I think you come up with a funny line or two every now and then.


Don't forget to vote. All votes are public and I will not vote. I will follow the majority vote on this. No hard feelings on my part. Convince others you are right and you never again have to fear Rollo-the big bad mod
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I forgot to say back at you Calimero. Believe it or not I think you come up with a funny line or two every now and then.


Don't forget to vote. All votes are public and I will not vote. I will follow the majority vote on this. No hard feelings on my part. Convince others you are right and you never again have to fear Rollo-the big bad mod

Oops?
If I don't convince others I'll have to fear the big bad mod?
A majority vote on suppressing unwelcome opinions?

Hopefully you don't believe we "childish warriors" really lose sleep whether our "faves" are the greatest. I do not.




Because I know .....
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rollo I think you overlook one thing

many of these people on gm are still teenagers so they might have grown up when their fav retired and have calmed down. they might respect the results of other players by that time too! (or not )

where is the line between critism and bashing though?
I would like to know that

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Please read and vote on the proposal below. Voting will limited to those who have posted to the BFTP before October 7, 2004. Voting will close after October 14.

For the past 3 years this forum has been a joy to me. Blast members have an amazing love of the sport and it's past champions. A lot of the information I've learned here we old timer's could only dream about before the internet.

3 years from now I hope the Blast will still be going strong. It's the future of this forum that concerns me. The role of a moderator is undefined, as is the very nature of our forum. I believe a mission statement would make the unique nature of the BFTP clearer to new members.

Having said, that, my vision may not be shared by the majority. In the end it is the majority who should decide. Please post comments and feel free to debate the following:

Mission Statement:

The Blast From the Past is a moderated forum devoted to the history of women's tennis and it's retired players. The primary focus of posters is our common celebration of past champions, their acheivements, and our great sport.

Fans who wish to devote threads to retired players are more than welcome here. There are also threads for all decades and eras. Debate is welcomed and encouraged. Please feel free to express your opinions, make others laugh, or make us cry, or even make us mad. Having said that, please remember that this is NOT general messages. So called "fans", whose MAIN INTEREST is centred around a recently retired personality will be encouraged to go to General Messages to conduct childish "wars" and name calling.

We welcome you to the Blast From The Past.

hi Rollo very sorry about this but while I can see where you are coming from I have to be honest and disagree. At what point does the past start? Until she played a recent exhibition match Graf has been retired for some years so does this not qualify her for "discussion" here.

To be fair to Calimero, he is posting in the Seles-Graf thread. I look at most of the posts he makes and shrug my shoulders but the choice is there to ignore them. The Forum belongs to everyone and if he is obsessed with one player then that's his problem (or not!) I don't really believe there should be a form of censorship just because we don't agree with someone. The fact that the posts do provoke a response is because there is a lot of interest in a certain player. If anyone doesn't like a thread simply ignore it. With no response it will soon die off. But I see the good and great AndyT has been moved to post a response so I have added one myself.

I can't post much on the 80s or 90s simply because I don't know enough of these eras to make informed comment but I love the 60s, however this is no more than of passing interest to most Blasters. It's been great to read of earlier stars like Marble, Betz and Connolly but the responses show again that interest in the older players is confined to relatively few members. We all have our own interests and I wouldn't deign to tell anyone else just what these should be (nor am I suggesting that you would either.)

I do share your sense of frustration at the circular nature of the debate on some topics but I'm not sure that it is any more GM than BFTP and to be quite honest sometimes I have a really good laugh because in many ways it is all so predictable and IMO pathetic.

I've sorta been rambling here but to sum up, you can't force someone's interest in anything and if someone does have an interest in a particular player - whether we consider it excessive or not - why should they not discuss it in a designated thread? As long as the posts are not abusive etc surely we are big enough to accomodate this? If we're not interested in any particular thread or subject pass on by!

My say on the subject!

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Well said, Rollo. And I agree that people who are obsessed by one fave could go to GM, to the teenagers whose tunnelvision accepts only 1 player.

Here, it should be for people who are interested in the history of the sport and if one is not interested in players like Connolly, King, Lenglen, Dodd, etc. there's no point in joining and IMO it's the moderator's job to seperate in order to keep the essence of this forum.
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Well said, Rollo. And I agree that people who are obsessed by one fave could go to GM, to the teenagers whose tunnelvision accepts only 1 player.

Here, it should be for people who are interested in the history of the sport and if one is not interested in players like Connolly, King, Lenglen, Dodd, etc. there's no point in joining and IMO it's the moderator's job to seperate in order to keep the essence of this forum.

That coming from Robbert!!!!!! >coffee spill> >doughnuts throw>
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[QUOTE=Rollo]Please read and vote on the proposal below. Voting will limited to those who have posted to the BFTP before October 7, 2004. Voting will close after October 14.

For the past 3 years this forum has been a joy to me. Blast members have an amazing love of the sport and it's past champions. A lot of the information I've learned here we old timer's could only dream about before the internet. [QUOTE=Rollo]


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3 years from now I hope the Blast will still be going strong. It's the future of this forum that concerns me. The role of a moderator is undefined, as is the very nature of our forum. I believe a mission statement would make the unique nature of the BFTP clearer to new members.

Having said, that, my vision may not be shared by the majority. In the end it is the majority who should decide. Please post comments and feel free to debate the following:

Mission Statement:

The Blast From the Past is a moderated forum devoted to the history of women's tennis and it's retired players. The primary focus of posters is our common celebration of past champions, their acheivements, and our great sport.

Fans who wish to devote threads to retired players are more than welcome here. There are also threads for all decades and eras. Debate is welcomed and encouraged. Please feel free to express your opinions, make others laugh, or make us cry, or even make us mad. Having said that, please remember that this is NOT general messages. So called "fans", whose MAIN INTEREST is centred around a recently retired personality will be encouraged to go to General Messages to conduct childish "wars" and name calling.

We welcome you to the Blast From The Past.
I only discovered this site a year ago and share your thoughts Rollo. I've learned so much, shared so much with people who are extraordinarily knowledgeable, established some firm friendships (both cyber and "real") and had the pleasure of meeting some of the posters.

Many posters have expressed a growing despair and exasperation at the atmosphere generated by one or two "fans" who only seem to be able to express their views in a confrontational, provocative and aggressive way. The atmosphere of friendly debate and discussion, spiced with wit and the occasional exquisite bitchy quip is being damaged.

That said, I tend to agree with Chris that it is impossible to "enforce" compliance with the ideals and aims of the forum (and there I agree totally with your statement) on people whose only concern is promoting their particular favourite and denigrating all her contemporaries. Urging posters to display a combination of self-control (not always easy) in the face of inflammatory claims and respect for other posters and their views seems the only way forward.

I'd also like to say that as far as the moderator's rôle is concerned, Rollo, we'd be lost without you. In the words of Carly Simon, "nobody does it half as good as you... baby you're the best"

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To be fair to Calimero, he is posting in the Seles-Graf thread. I look at most of the posts he makes and shrug my shoulders but the choice is there to ignore them. The Forum belongs to everyone and if he is obsessed with one player then that's his problem (or not!) I don't really believe there should be a form of censorship just because we don't agree with someone. The fact that the posts do provoke a response is because there is a lot of interest in a certain player. If anyone doesn't like a thread simply ignore it. With no response it will soon die off. But I see the good and great AndyT has been moved to post a response so I have added one myself.

I've sorta been rambling here but to sum up, you can't force someone's interest in anything and if someone does have an interest in a particular player - whether we consider it excessive or not - why should they not discuss it in a designated thread? As long as the posts are not abusive etc surely we are big enough to accomodate this? If we're not interested in any particular thread or subject pass on by!
This forum has changed a lot in recent months solely due to an eruption of Seles vs Graf debates which have not been held in good spirit.

I used to enjoy reading these debates but now there is a real element of what appears to be genuine disrespect of both women.

As a result I don't take part as much as I used to which is sad for me - although some people probably breath a sigh of relief .I'm all for freedom of speech but if every debate thread on that one topic contains the same venomous posts over and over, how can the rest of us debate it ?

Personally I think that some lunatic asylum somewhere has just allowed all their residents to access the internet because it's not possible to lay blame at any one person's door - there appear to be both psychotic Steffi and Monica fans.

Unless it's all the same person I suppose with some kind of multiple personality disorder .
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That coming from Robbert!!!!!! >coffee spill> >doughnuts throw>
may i second that comment? I almost passed out for a moment.

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Aside from my random thoughts on the origin of these new posters it doesn't change the fact that they're here to stay. The problem is either we accept that there's going to be a lot more nasty things said in here than there used to be or we say it's unacceptable.

Of course if we choose the latter it means that Rollo is going to have a lot of deleting to do.

My thoughts on this topic are totally in favour of whatever our forum founder thinks seeing that reading his posts are one of my primary reasons for coming here .

The only other reason being to look at photos of Gaby and remind irma that my favourite is better than hers .
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This forum has changed a lot in recent months solely due to an eruption of Seles vs Graf debates which have not been held in good spirit.

I used to enjoy reading these debates but now there is a real element of what appears to be genuine disrespect of both women.

As a result I don't take part as much as I used to which is sad for me - although some people probably breath a sigh of relief .I'm all for freedom of speech but if every debate thread on that one topic contains the same venomous posts over and over, how can the rest of us debate it ?

Personally I think that some lunatic asylum somewhere has just allowed all their residents to access the internet because it's not possible to lay blame at any one person's door - there appear to be both psychotic Steffi and Monica fans.

Unless it's all the same person I suppose with some kind of multiple personality disorder .
I totally agree with this post as well...i no longer post as often in BFTP---and to be honest i'm not sure if its out of boredom or just the amount of anger that seems to come out of the posts...i.e. the Graf/Seles posts....its one thing to make a comment, but you can actually see the venom shooting forth from some of the posts and its a head scratcher for sure...i mean what is everyone so mad about? that was a LONG time ago...i cant imagine going every day talking about things from 1992...but then again i enjoying listening to olivia newton-john while wearing my leg warmers and head band so whos crazy here?? I dont know how to vote for your post,(Rollos post) i mean there arent any choices really but in my mind, i dont care either.....i'll continue to post once a month or so as i do now...but maybe if a poster or two vanished, i'd be more willing to return

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Cahill, I'm writing lots of posts in support of Jaeger, Austin, King, Connolly, that alone is 4 more beside my fave than certain other posters in here.... And I'm showing interest in Tennis' history - unlike certain other posters in here. You can be childish and ignore that or take notice of it...
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