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Navratilova Vs Zvereva-1988

Ive always wondered about the match between Zvereva and Navratilova at Roland Garross in 1988? Has anyone seen it? Did Natasha simply outplay martina or was it another one of Martinas chokes in 1988? Also was natasha more of a baseliner then compared to the Zvereva from 1992 onwards?
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Ive always wondered about the match between Zvereva and Navratilova at Roland Garross in 1988? Has anyone seen it? Did Natasha simply outplay martina or was it another one of Martinas chokes in 1988? Also was natasha more of a baseliner then compared to the Zvereva from 1992 onwards?

The only part of it that I saw was the second set tiebreaker. Martina was very passive and was guiding the ball. I don't know if she started out that way or not but Natasha outsteadied her to win the tiebreak.

I remember being shocked at this result as I knew that Natasha was a talent but I didn't think she'd beat Martina at a slam. Little did we know at that time that Natasha's game would do very well against Martina. I think Natasha ended up beating Martina at least 4 times. That's probably more than any other non-slam winner ever defeated her.
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The only part of it that I saw was the second set tiebreaker. Martina was very passive and was guiding the ball. I don't know if she started out that way or not but Natasha outsteadied her to win the tiebreak.

I remember being shocked at this result as I knew that Natasha was a talent but I didn't think she'd beat Martina at a slam. Little did we know at that time that Natasha's game would do very well against Martina. I think Natasha ended up beating Martina at least 4 times. That's probably more than any other non-slam winner ever defeated her.
Navratilova, never one to forget about a bad loss, actually took Natalia Zvereva to task 8-5 in career meetings, and if memory serves, she beat her in straight sets the first time they played in the Chicago indoors, and even had some comments about "being able to play from the baseline too" after the match!

Natasha, much like the Monica/Steffi rivalry, never beat Navratilova on a fast court- always clay or slowed-down hardcourts. Okay, discuss...

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Navratilova, never one to forget about a bad loss, actually took Natalia Zvereva to task 8-5 in career meetings, and if memory serves, she beat her in straight sets the first time they played in the Chicago indoors, and even had some comments about "being able to play from the baseline too" after the match!

Natasha, much like the Monica/Steffi rivalry, never beat Navratilova on a fast court- always clay or slowed-down hardcourts. Okay, discuss...

Oh boy! Who knows where this will lead?!! But it did seem that Martina did and should do well against Natasha on faster surfaces. But still, there just ain't many folks out there with 5 wins over Ms. Navratilova.
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Navratilova, never one to forget about a bad loss, actually took Natalia Zvereva to task 8-5 in career meetings, and if memory serves, she beat her in straight sets the first time they played in the Chicago indoors, and even had some comments about "being able to play from the baseline too" after the match!

Natasha, much like the Monica/Steffi rivalry, never beat Navratilova on a fast court- always clay or slowed-down hardcourts. Okay, discuss...
If she beat Nav in Chicago on carpet doesn't that mean that she beat Nav on a fast surface? Or was chicago no carpet that time? (it definitely was in 92)

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If she beat Nav in Chicago on carpet doesn't that mean that she beat Nav on a fast surface? Or was chicago no carpet that time? (it definitely was in 92)

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Natasha, much like the Monica/Steffi rivalry, never beat Navratilova on a fast court- always clay or slowed-down hardcourts. Okay, discuss...

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Martina NAVRATILOVA (USA) Versus Natalia ZVEREVA (URS)
Year Tournament Round Surface Winner Score
1987 Chicago FR Carpet (I) M.NAVRATILOVA 6-1 6-2
1988 Oakland QF Hard (I) M.NAVRATILOVA 6-0 6-2
1988 French Open 16 Clay (O) N.ZVEREVA 3-6 6-7(5)
1988 Eastbourne FR Grass (O) M.NAVRATILOVA 6-2 6-2
1988 Canadian Open QF Hard (O) N.ZVEREVA 1-6 4-6
1988 Worcester FR Carpet (I) M.NAVRATILOVA 6-7 6-4 6-3
1989 Hilton Head SF Clay (O) N.ZVEREVA 2-6 6-3 1-6
1990 Eastbourne QF Grass (O) M.NAVRATILOVA 7-6 6-1
1991 Birmingham FR Grass (O) M.NAVRATILOVA 6-4 7-6
1992 Hilton Head 16 Clay (O) N.ZVEREVA 4-6 2-6
1992 Oakland QF Carpet (I) M.NAVRATILOVA 6-2 6-2
1993 Wimbledon QF Grass (O) M.NAVRATILOVA 6-3 6-1
1993 Filderstadt QF Hard (I) N.ZVEREVA 3-6 6-7
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Ive always wondered about the match between Zvereva and Navratilova at Roland Garross in 1988? Has anyone seen it? Did Natasha simply outplay martina or was it another one of Martinas chokes in 1988? Also was natasha more of a baseliner then compared to the Zvereva from 1992 onwards?
Martina compalined about the changeable weather that day, one minute sunny, the next windy, the next dark and said she couldn't get her rhythym and affected her volley etc.... This was the focus of the match from my info, not Zvereva's great tennis which got her into the final.

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"Martina complained...." now there's something new! To be fair to her, she did suffer in windy conditions on clay because the dust got over her glasses and affected her eyesight. Anyone who's played on clay wearing glasses will know what she means. Chrissie said playing indoors under lights affected her eyesight, too.

I've never seen that RG88 encounter (nor do I have any particular wish to). Natasha was a real prospect then and had a good baseline game plus an instinct for the volley, whereas MN was in mental meltdown mode. At the time it was a huge upset but looking back less so. It is such a shame for Natasha that she was like a rabbit paralyzed with fear in that final against Steffi. Even if she had played well, Steffi would have beaten her but maybe it wouldn't have damaged her singles career so definitively.

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...It is such a shame for Natasha that she was like a rabbit paralyzed with fear in that final against Steffi. Even if she had played well, Steffi would have beaten her but maybe it wouldn't have damaged her singles career so definitively.
Do you really think so, Andy? I've seen Natasha play both singles and doubles many times (she was a regular at the Philadelphia indoors), even one year with Monica Seles as her doubles partner, and I've always gotten the feeling from watching her play that she knew exactly where whe was mentally, and in fact, I was always left with the impression that she was never out of control of the situation, and many times tanked matches when she was no longer interested- irrespective of the performance on the other side of the net. I remember watching that 88 FO final and thinking "she just doesn't care", not that Graf was unstoppable- and it made me very angry at Natasha, initially. Zvereva is such a brainiac- one of the most intelligent people I've ever seen on a tennis court. I think her biggest problem was her own boredom.

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Do you really think so, Andy? I've seen Natasha play both singles and doubles many times (she was a regular at the Philadelphia indoors), even one year with Monica Seles as her doubles partner, and I've always gotten the feeling from watching her play that she knew exactly where whe was mentally, and in fact, I was always left with the impression that she was never out of control of the situation, and many times tanked matches when she was no longer interested- irrespective of the performance on the other side of the net. I remember watching that 88 FO final and thinking "she just doesn't care", not that Graf was unstoppable- and it made me very angry at Natasha, initially. Zvereva is such a brainiac- one of the most intelligent people I've ever seen on a tennis court. I think her biggest problem was her own boredom.

Maybe that's why in the end she seemed to like doubles more. She had Gigi to talk to and joke around with so she wouldn't be bored. Also, doubles requires a lot of thinking and strategy.

Btw, Natasha question. I know in the mid 1990s, Natasha was dating a guy who I think at one time was married to Andrea Jaeger's sister. He was also a pretty good doubles player. Can't think of his name. Anyone remember his name?
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Maybe that's why in the end she seemed to like doubles more. She had Gigi to talk to and joke around with so she wouldn't be bored. Also, doubles requires a lot of thinking and strategy.

Btw, Natasha question. I know in the mid 1990s, Natasha was dating a guy who I think at one time was married to Andrea Jaeger's sister. He was also a pretty good doubles player. Can't think of his name. Anyone remember his name?
I should also amend the statement that I got the distinct impression that Natasha didn't like to run across the singles court, and when forced to do so decided in her mind she just wasn't interested in putting forth the physical effort, and so naturally progessed into doubles. I used to like watching her play against Novotna, because while Novotna was capable of making her run, Natasha was intelligent enough to exploit the many technical flaws in Jana's game, and break her game down- whereas with Graf or Navratilova or Seles or any number of other singles opponents, she didn't have the technical flaw targets to interest her, and it became a running and execution game (physical), which she wasn't there to play.

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I love Natasha.

Can we discuss her some more in this thread?

What went wrong at Wimbledon 1998. She beat Steffi and Monica in straight sets and fell to Nathalie Tauziat (!) in the semifinals after winning the first set 6-1.

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I should also amend the statement that I got the distinct impression that Natasha didn't like to run across the singles court, and when forced to do so decided in her mind she just wasn't interested in putting forth the physical effort, and so naturally progessed into doubles. I used to like watching her play against Novotna, because while Novotna was capable of making her run, Natasha was intelligent enough to exploit the many technical flaws in Jana's game, and break her game down- whereas with Graf or Navratilova or Seles or any number of other singles opponents, she didn't have the technical flaw targets to interest her, and it became a running and execution game (physical), which she wasn't there to play.
I agree, Jeff. Natasha the singles player and natasha the doubles player were two different people, it always seemed to me. In doubles, she oozed confidence and exhibited great court sense. In singles, her occasional wins over almost all the top names show that she had the raw material to be a fine player but perhaps not the focus or self-belief week-in week-out she needed to get there.

Like Pam, she was a rising talent who reached a slam final very early in her career but never followed up with the big break through on the singles court.

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