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Fashion Than and Now.

Everyone is talking about Serena outfit at the us open.


I was wondering does anyone have any pics of past players in there outfit?


And see who did it better. The past or the present players.



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Everyone is talking about Serena outfit at the us open.


I was wondering does anyone have any pics of past players in there outfit?


And see who did it better. The past or the present players.



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Suzanne Lenglen one of the first divas to shake up tennis fashion:







And the beautiful Alice Marble *daring* to wear shorts :





As for who did it better. I really don't think you can say one is better than the other. All of these great women lived in their own eras and each was a champion during their time just as Serena is now in her time. Who knows what the fashion will be twenty years from now.

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My dentist's wife, Diane-Elisabeth Poirier, has published a book entitled "Mode tennis" (Editions Assouline, 2003) tracing tennis fashion (male and female). I've flicked through it and it's a good book with lots of great photos.

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GRene-Welcome to the Blast

I just have to know how Suzanne got that "bell" look with her skirt. Was it extra duty starch?
When Suzanne first came to England in 1919 women were scandalized by her appearance-she dared to show her ankles. Many older women walked out of her matches muttering "French hussy". A more liberated age had begun however--and so many came to watch that queues at Wimbledon became known as "a Lenglen Trail a winding."

Thanks for the heads up Andy. Has anyone read Tinling's book on fashion, "White Ladies"?
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I just have to know how Suzanne got that "bell" look with her skirt. Was it extra duty starch?
It was probably held down with tiny little brandy flasks hidden in the hemline of the skirt Rollo!

Oh, and by the way- speaking of blowing the skirt off the competition- I have finally finished the Pauline Betz interview article, and forwarded it to USTAMiddle States Section. I have been assured that indeed it will be published in their newsletter, and probably posted on their web site. In anticipation of that, here's a little taste of the great lady herself, and many thanks to you for making this happen:
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Did you guys ask Pauline Betz about the leopardskin pants?

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Did you guys ask Pauline Betz about the leopardskin pants?
Yes- and it didn't stop with leopardskin- there were zebraskin and gold lame' and quite a few other get-ups, which out of concern for propriety (what? propriety from alfa? A 7.5 magnitude earthquake just hit somewhere on the planet! ) Seriously, I didn't include in the article which is going to be published by the USTA Middle States Section. Truthfully, I think she would have loved it, but alas, Bobbie sent nearly all of her extensive photo collection to the International Tennis Hall of Fame a few years ago when she moved into the assisted living community. Another reason for me to get back up there to Newport to go through their collection!

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She sounds like a real character! To have been disowned for just discussing pro terms is quite amazing and shows the repressive environment of those times. Who's next on the interview list, then?

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She sounds like a real character! To have been disowned for just discussing pro terms is quite amazing and shows the repressive environment of those times. Who's next on the interview list, then?
RoanHJ and I have been brainstorming on this, and we're tentatively going to try and hook up next Feb/March in Palm Springs during the Indian Wells tournament. My tennis buddies go every year, and I've already confirmed I'm going to California again with them in 2005, so I'll try and rendezvous with Roan then. We have discussed a couple of people. I know she's been talking with Louise Brough in the Bay Area, and we are also thinking about Dodo Cheney, which is probably more likely as she's in the San Diego area and it would be an easier drive. There is alot of tennis history right there in the Palm Springs area- even though the Palm Spring Racquet Club is no more. As you may or may not know, Roan just did an extensive telephone interview with Pauline last Saturday, and I've talked with Bobbie (Pauline likes to be called "Bobbie") since, and she enjoyed all of it. I never realized how much homework goes into an interview. Suffice to say it was a MAJOR learning experience- and a very satisfying one too.

Whom would you suggest, Andy?

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Difficult as I have no idea where most of these people are. My own personal list (apart from the obvious in-your-dreams trio of Navratilova, Evert and Goolagong) would be the 60-70s gals: Bueno, Hard, Turner, Court, Jones, King, Durr, Casals, Melville, Wade and co. I've always found that period very interesting and Nancy's posts/comments have only served to fan the flames.

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Difficult as I have no idea where most of these people are. My own personal list (apart from the obvious in-your-dreams trio of Navratilova, Evert and Goolagong) would be the 60-70s gals: Bueno, Hard, Turner, Court, Jones, King, Durr, Casals, Melville, Wade and co. I've always found that period very interesting and Nancy's posts/comments have only served to fan the flames.
Without going into too much detail- I'm thinking about contacting either Maria Bueno or Virginia (again). I think Maria would be a terrific interview, and I've never met her. In fact, the only players on your list I have met are Court, King, Casals (for just a few seconds in the food court at the Open one year- doubt she remembers, but I certainly do), and of course my dear Ginny.

It did surprise me to read Nancy's opinion that Maria hit the heaviest ball of any of the players she played against. I would have thought it would have been Margaret for sure. I'm going to have to get ahold of more footage of her in flight- in fact, you just spurned me on to contact tennisvideos again, thanks!

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You're welcome! Maria just has to tell her story - the lack of it leaves such a gaping hole in tennis (auto)biography/literature. Ginny, too, would do well to consider writing a new autobiography to replace Courting Triumph and present a perspective which has matured and widened so much over the years.

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RoanHJ and I have been brainstorming on this, and we're tentatively going to try and hook up next Feb/March in Palm Springs during the Indian Wells tournament. My tennis buddies go every year, and I've already confirmed I'm going to California again with them in 2005, so I'll try and rendezvous with Roan then. We have discussed a couple of people. I know she's been talking with Louise Brough in the Bay Area, and we are also thinking about Dodo Cheney, which is probably more likely as she's in the San Diego area and it would be an easier drive. There is alot of tennis history right there in the Palm Springs area- even though the Palm Spring Racquet Club is no more. As you may or may not know, Roan just did an extensive telephone interview with Pauline last Saturday, and I've talked with Bobbie (Pauline likes to be called "Bobbie") since, and she enjoyed all of it. I never realized how much homework goes into an interview. Suffice to say it was a MAJOR learning experience- and a very satisfying one too.

Whom would you suggest, Andy?

Speaking of interviews, I have gone ahead and just copied tape one for you Jeff and tonight I'll copy tape two and then mail them to you. On the tape I also asked Pauline about what she wore when she played Gussy. Pauline was never known for her outfits. she pretty much wore what was comfortable but she told me that before the match everyone was asking, "What's Gussy going to wear?" So, Pauline more or less said , well, I'll wear something to get them talking.

On interviews: Louise Brough is very nice and really sharp. The only thing about doing the interview with Louise is I was a bit shy with her. Twice during our talk she asked ME a question. Wanted to know if I thought Serena was getting thinner and another questions on the Russsian girls. I didn't answer her questions but rather went on to another topic. I was a bit nervous. She really was pretty friendly. I didn't interview her nearly as in depth as Pauline so next time with Jeff I'll be a little less nervous and talk more. I also spoke with a player you may or may not remember. Tory Fretz. Played during the Billie Jean days. She's also a former student of Alice Marble. Very nice woman. And she knows Gussy, Rosie and Billie Jean. She did tell me Gussy is a "head case" so, getting an interview with her might be tricky. Love to ask her about her Ted Tingling and also what she thinks of Venus and Serena's outfits.
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On interviews: Louise Brough is very nice and really sharp. The only thing about doing the interview with Louise is I was a bit shy with her. Twice during our talk she asked ME a question. Wanted to know if I thought Serena was getting thinner and another questions on the Russsian girls. I didn't answer her questions but rather went on to another topic. I was a bit nervous. She really was pretty friendly. I didn't interview her nearly as in depth as Pauline so next time with Jeff I'll be a little less nervous and talk more. I also spoke with a player you may or may not remember. Tory Fretz. Played during the Billie Jean days. She's also a former student of Alice Marble. Very nice woman. And she knows Gussy, Rosie and Billie Jean. She did tell me Gussy is a "head case" so, getting an interview with her might be tricky. Love to ask her about her Ted Tingling and also what she thinks of Venus and Serena's outfits.
Oh let's make the effort to try Louise Brough. Aside from having her autograph, I've never met or seen her, and I'll grab any chance to get back to the SF Bay Area- in fact, the last few years I've gone back at least once, sometimes twice a year, and I know my way around the City and Oakland pretty well- wouldn't be any trouble at all finding her. I'd answer her questions without hesitatation!!! Plus, I'd bet she and Margaret Osborne have a veritable treasure trove of information they're just sitting on- or worse yet- no has asked them about.

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P.S.- thanks Roan for making copies of the interview with Bobbie- I really can't wait to talk to her again, and will be going down for another visit before the end of the year, just to get to know her a little better on an informal basis, and also (quite greedy of me, but I know she'll do it)- I want her to give me a few pointers on my backhand.

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