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Betty Stove anyone?

Hey Guys....This is my first post here.....Just wondering if anyone has much info on Betty Stove...She is one of my fav players but its hard to find any info on her....I know she was a late bloomer tennis wise....Anyway anyone with any stories thought on her please post!!!
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Hope you get some response. Betty sure had a long career-going back to at least 1964.


Wasn't she nicknamed "Big Bad Betty?" She was strong enough to pick a guy up and throw him in a swimming pool according to one story! Could it have been Bud Collins?
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Hi K-Dog. I don't know a lot of Stove stories but my favorite one has always been when BJK got fed up and locked the locker room door and told the other ladies that either they were going to have a tour or they were not going to have a tour. She told Betty to stand guard and and not let anyone out! I wouldn't have tried to leave!

The other great one is Bud Collins' description of her 1977 Wimbledon performance as she made all three finals: singles, doubles and mixed. His quote was, "Big, Bad Betty Stove went for the Wimbledon triple but got the Wimbledon cripple!"
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I certainly wouldn't mess with Betty....Although she always looked like a gentle giant!! I only have highlights of a few of her doubles matches...She had a great game but sis not seem to cope well under pressure?? But what a serve and forehand.....I always seemed to like the big girls... Pam 'i love dudes' shriver was my all time favourite!
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I recently told this story in another thread, but in 97 I did literally run into Betty at the qualifying for the US Womens Hardcourts tourney the year it was held at Stone Mountain. I think I had my head turned to a side court and when I turned I almost bumped into her. It startled me but she stood like a stone wall! She seemed very pleasant though so I think the "gentle giant" tag is probably right.
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Hey Guys....This is my first post here.....Just wondering if anyone has much info on Betty Stove...She is one of my fav players but its hard to find any info on her....I know she was a late bloomer tennis wise....Anyway anyone with any stories thought on her please post!!!
Hello K-Dog

I am casual friends with Betty. We got together to jointly finance the acquisition of many of her old Wimbledon Finals on Video (singles, doubles and mixed) as well as a few other matches from other tournaments. She is a lovely lady indeed and has a very good sense of humour. Yes, a gentle giant. If you would like to see some clips of her in action you can send me a PM as I have lots of her on DVD/Video.
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Welcome K-dog

Speaking for myself, I like the ol' gal...as mentioned on previous threads here, she provided myself and others with some great World Team Tennis memories
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It's amazing that Betty played for a decade with minimal success in singles. I don't know if she would've been a top 20 player until the mid-70's. I remember BJK's comments about playing Stove in the early 70's. She demolished her and then commented that Betty got so frustrated during the match that she kicked a ball into the stands. She said maybe Betty should've been a soccer player. I know of no other player that had so little success through her prime playing years and then blossomed so late in life into a solid top ten player. Tauziat comes close, but Natalie was a strong top 20 player for years.

I never saw Shriver/Stove team up. What an imposing look that team would've had!

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It's funny to watch Betty in action. I have 15 of her matches (I sent you a list of them K-Dog)... mainly Wimbledon Finals of various Doubles and Mixed plus her singles semis and final of 77. She was really prone to nerves big time. There are so many times she would freeze in her matches eg. with Frankie Durr in the 75 Wimby Doubles Final against Kiyomura/Sawamatsu. This should have been a shoe in for Stove/Durr who were one of the dominant pairs on tour in the early-mid 70s. But poor old Betty choked and at one stage she missed about a dozen consecutive service returns - all into the net. And Kiyomura & Sawamatsu were not known for the serves!

Then in another match King tries to nurse Betty through the 76 Wimby Doubles final but she looks as though she gives up in frustration as Betty loses the plot against Evert/Navratilova. Of course Betty is famous for the triple bridesmaid performance in 77, but she did get her just rewards with a number of great GS doubles and mixed titles. Of course she had some good partners too - Durr, King, Navratilova, McMillan etc. But Big Betty's serve and forehand were formidable and capable of bludgeoning her opponents.
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Hello K-Dog

I am casual friends with Betty. We got together to jointly finance the acquisition of many of her old Wimbledon Finals on Video (singles, doubles and mixed) as well as a few other matches from other tournaments. She is a lovely lady indeed and has a very good sense of humour. Yes, a gentle giant. If you would like to see some clips of her in action you can send me a PM as I have lots of her on DVD/Video.
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I would have loved to have seen shriver and stove together.....I rememebr in passing shots Pam saying her and Betty beat Martina and Betsy Nagelsen in the Sydney Finals in 1980...... I always wished Betty and Durr had won at least won wimbledon title together....... They were such opposite players!
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Betty was indeed a late bloomer, and 1977 was her career year, reaching five of the six "BIG" Grand Slam finals at Wimbledon and the U.S. Open, and reaching the semifinals in the other. I remember she terrorized Chris once or twice at Wimbledon, coming very close to winning. My favorite Betty Stove moment occurred in the 1977 Wimbledon quarterfinals where she simply outplayed an in-form Martina Navratilova. I think Martina may had one break opportunity in the whole match, when she had Stove down 0-40. Big Bad Betty fired down three or five aces in a row to wipe out the break points and win the match. She literally deflated Martina, then held her nerve to beat Barker in the semis. Had she really believed, I think Betty could have won the Wimbledon final in 1977. But after winning the first set, she seemed satisfied with her accomplishment and missed out on her chance. Maybe she, too, thought Virginia was more-deserving of the Wimbledon title. Later that year, she beat little Tracy Austin 6-2, 6-2 in the quarterfinals of the last U.S. Open to be played on clay. Bud Collins said she "out-bigged" her. Anyway, Betty played a solid match, highly entertaining match against Evert in a fairly close semifinal. She had another shining moment a few years later when her singles career was definitely on the downslide, beating Martina N at Eastbourne. Seems like she may have pushed Evonne Cawley at Wimbledon as well, before losing in another match that she might have won had she truly believed!
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Betty was an inconsistent player, capable of pulling off a string of brilliant winners, followed by a whole string of errors. Being a rather errrr, big-boned gal, she didn't move especially well, but compensated by being powerful and athletic. Virginia Wade gives a preceptive analysis of Betty's game in her autobiography.

I remember her playing Jo Durie at Eastbourne when Betty was well past her prime and Durie was the great, new British hope. Stove won the first set, I think, 6-0, playing unbelievable serve and volley tennis, before losing the match. It was like watching two entirely different players, such was the contrast between the first set and the rest of the match.
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I would have liked to have given you good rep points for this post, but the message comes up "you must spread more good rep points around before giving tennisvideos more" or something to that effect. Suffice to say you will have been admired this early in the morning TV...
Very funny Alfa I needed a little cheering as I am sitting at home with the damn flu. Thank heavens the Olympics are on so I have plenty of entertainment checking out all those cute athletes. Sure you are too!

Back to Betty for a second ... Another fascinating match I just remembered that I had was the 77 USO Womens Doubles final when she and Martina beat Renee Richards and the glamorous Betty Ann Dent! 2 Lesbians, a transexual and a glamour babe - what a match up!!!! Better than World Championship Wrestling for sure. (Daze - some of your earlier quotes have come flooding back into my memory banks).

Another little aside which I have mentioned on another thread some time back.... I play a lot like Frankie Durr (let's just say I modelled my single handed backhand on her shocking but adorable looking stroke - although my normal stroke is a double hander) and my regular doubles partner actually looks and plays like Betty Stove (the big serve, forehand & volleys) and I have the Durr lobs and pokes! I even have a few pics taken with Frankie where we look like brother and sister. And if you saw my doubles parter you would swear it was Betty's twin brother! So I guess we are like the reincarnation of Durr & Stove except we play the mens tour! Scary, but true!
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Betty's career is indeed a long and interesting one and spans 20 years. She won very few international tournaments during that time. The only ones I know of are:
1965
City of Miami Tournament beat Groeneman-Walhof 63 62
1966:
Bristol West of England beat Baylon 63 75
1969:
Munich (Bavarian Indoors) beat Burgemeister-Ebbinghaus 64 64
French Indoors beat Lieffrig 63 62
1972
Dutch Open/'T Melkhuisje Tournament beat Jansen-Schaar75 63
Shared Chichester International with Krantzcke
Shared Hoylake Rothmans North of England with Goolagong
1973
Dutch Open/'T Melkhuisje Tournament beat Niessen-Masthoff 75 62
1976
Tokyo Toray Sillook Open beat Smith-Court 16 64 63
Her finals

1966
Barranquila Colombia International. Lost Baylon 60 61
St Petersburg Masters Invitational lost Richey 62 62
1967
Sydney Manly Seaside Championships lost Krantzcke 64 63
1969
Moscow International Indoor Open. Lost Morozova 62 62
Cannes Tournament. Lost jansen-Schaar 46 62 60
1971
NZ Open (BP) Lost Goolagong 61 64
Monte Carlo Open. Lost Sherriff-Chanfreau 64 46 64
Dusseldorf Open. Lost Niessen-Masthoff 46 63 63
1973
Denver Majestic Tournament. Lost King 64 62
1976
AtlantaUS Indoors. Lost Wade 57 75 75
Sydney Colgate. Lost Navratilova 75 62
1977
Wimbledon Lost Wade 46 63 61
Sao Paolo Brazil Open (Colgate). Lost King 61 64
1978
Washington VS. Lost Navratilova 75 64
Seattle VS. Lost Navratilova 61 16 61
Tokyo Toray Sillook Open. Lost Wade 64 76
Brighton BMW Challenge. Lost Ruzici 57 62 75
Filderstadt Porsche Classic. Lost Austin 63 63
1979
Stockholm Indoor Open. Lost King 63 67 75

From what I have heard, one of the reasons she did not have more success was that she didn't have a plan B when her big attacking game was off. She tended to be erratic and when her confidence went, that was that. She fits into the Casals-Shriver-Turnbull category as a talented player who seems to have flourished more as part of a team than on her own.

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