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Ranking Dec '70 - Dec '75

I've been my own computer and come up with monthly rankings from Dec '70 - Dec '75. I've used the Slam results and the Tournament Finals database. I gave Wim and USO winners 30 pts, finalists 15 and so on, to Rof16 (2 pts), French Opens 24 pts, AO winners 18 or 24 depending on the depth of the field, Regular tournament winners received 12, 8, 4, 2 or 1 pt depending on the importance of the tournament. R/U's got half the value. QF, SF, 16's also got points in Slams and Tour Finales. I tallied the points for 12 months and ran the rankings month by month.

I'm no expert in the tournaments of the 70's. Therefore I've likely given several tournaments too much or too little value. Rankings below 3 or 4 may be skewed a little. So I'll only post top five. They should be fairly accurate. However the number 1 rankings are pretty easy. There was a clear point when one player's previous 12 months were stronger than another's. I won't argue the infallibility of my results, only the objectivity. I would bet these results would be pretty consistent with any computer.

I'll post the rankings in segments.

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Dec 70
1 Court
2 King
3 Casals
4 Jones
5 Wade

Jan 71
1 Court
2 King
3 Casals
4 Wade
5 Niessen

Feb
1 Court
2 King
Casals
4 Wade
5 Jones

Mar
1 Court
2 King
3 Casals
4 Wade
5 Jones

Apr
1 Court
2 Casals
3 King
4 Jones
5 Wade

May
1 Court
2 King
3 Casals
4 Goolagong
5 Wade

June
1 Court
2 King
3 Goolagong
4 Casals
5 Durr

July
1 Court
2 King
3 Goolagong
4 Casals
5 Durr

Aug
1 King
2 Court
3 Goolagong
4 Casals
5 Durr

Sept
1 King
2 Goolagong
3 Court
4 Casals
5 Durr

Oct
1 King
2 Goolagong
3 Court
4 Casals
5 Durr

Nov
1 King
2 Goolagong
3 Court
4 Casals
5 Durr

Dec
1 King
2 Goolagong
3 Court
4 Casals
5 Durr

Durr spends over a year in top five. Though some rank Evonne #1 for the year, BJK’s results are much stronger overall.

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Jan 72 1 King 2 Goolagong 3 Court 4 Wade 5 Durr

Feb 1 King 2 Goolagong 3 Court 4 Wade 5 Casals

Mar 1 King 2 Goolagong 3 Wade 4 Durr 5 Court

Apr 1 King 2 Goolagong 3 Wade 4 Durr 5 Casals

May 1 King 2 Goolagong 3 Wade 4 Durr 5 Casals

June 1 King 2 Goolagong 3 Wade 4 Durr 5 Casals

July 1 King 2 Goolagong 3 Wade 4 Durr 5 Casals

August 1 King 2 Goolagong 3 Wade 4 Casals 5 Evert

Sept 1 King 2 Goolagong 3 Wade 4 Evert 5 Richey

Oct 1 King 2 Goolagong 3 Wade 4 Evert 5 Court

Nov 1 King 2 Goolagong 3 Wade 4 Court 5 Evert

Dec 1 King 2 Goolagong 3 Court 4 Wade 5 Evert

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Jan 73 1 King 2 Court 3 Goolagong 4 Evert 5 Richey

Feb 1 King 2 Court 3 Goolagong 4 Evert 5 Melville

Mar 1 King 2 Court 3 Goolagong 4 Melville 5 Evert

Apr 1 Court 2 King 3 Goolagong 4 Evert 5 Melville

May 1 Court 2 King 3 Goolagong 4 Evert 5 Melville

June 1 Court 2 Goolagong 3 King 4 Evert 5 Wade

July 1 Court 2 King 3 Goolagong 4 Evert 5 Wade

Aug 1 Court 2 Goolagong 3 Evert 4 King 5 Wade

Sept 1 Court 2 Goolagong 3 Evert 4 King 5 Wade

Oct 1 Court 2 Goolagong 3 Evert 4 King 5 Wade

Nov 1 Court 2 Goolagong 3 Evert 4 King 5 Wade

Dec 1 Court 2 Goolagong 3 Evert 4 King 5 Wade

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Jan 74 1 Court 2 Evert 3 Goolagong 4 King 5 Wade

Feb 1 Evert 2 Goolagong 3 Court 4 King 5 Wade

Mar 1 Evert 2 Goolagong 3 King 4 Court 5 Wade

Apr 1 Evert 2 King 3 Goolagong 4 Court 5 Wade

May 1 Evert 2 King 3 Goolagong 4 Court 5 Wade

June 1 Evert 2 Goolagong 3 King 4 Court 5 Wade

July 1 Evert 2 King 3 Goolagong 4 Court 5 Wade

Aug 1 Evert 2 King 3 Goolagong 4 Wade 5 Melville

Sept 1 Evert 2 King 3 Goolagong 4 Wade 5 Melville

Oct 1 Evert 2 King 3 Goolagong 4 Wade 5 Morozova

Nov 1 Evert 2 King 3 Goolagong 4 Wade 5 Melville

Dec 1 Evert 2 King 3 Goolagong 4 Wade 5 Morozova

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Jan 75 1 Evert 2 Goolagong 3 King 4 Wade 5 Navratilova

Feb 1 Evert 2 Goolagong 3 King 4 Navratilova 5 Wade

Mar 1 Evert 2 Goolagong 3 King 4 Navratilova 5 Wade

Apr 1 Evert 2 Goolagong 3 Navratilova 4 King 5 Wade

May 1 Evert 2 Goolagong 3 Navratilova 4 King 5 Wade

June 1 Evert 2 Goolagong 3 King 4 Navratilova 5 Wade

July 1 Evert 2 Goolagong 3 Navratilova 4 King 5 Wade

Aug 1 Evert 2 Goolagong 3 Navratilova 4 Wade 5 King

Sept 1 Evert 2 Goolagong 3 Navratilova 4 Wade 5 King

Oct 1 Evert 2 Navratilova 3 Goolagong 4 Wade 5 Court

Nov 1 Evert 2 Navratilova 3 Goolagong 4 Wade 5 Court

Dec 1 Evert 2 Navratilova 3 Goolagong 4 Wade 5 King

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Total months in top five:
Court – 40
King – 59
Goolagong – 56
Evert – 41
Wade – 48
Casals – 19
Navratilova – 12
Melville – 7
Durr – 13
Morozova – 2
Richey – 2
Niessen Masthoff – 1
Haydon Jones – 4

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Weeks spent at number one (through Oct, 1975):
Court – 78
King – 86
Evert - 91

This was the ultimate goal of my research. Evert spent more weeks at number 1 in her career than Navratilova.

Graf leads with 377.
Navratilova 331
Evert 262

Add 91 to Evert and she's at 353.
Take away Gunther Parsche and Evert's #1.
Okay, that's unfair I know.

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Very interesting. Although the rankings are published mostly weekly they are based on 1 year's rolling performance so a long time player would hold on to their No. 1 ranking for a few months after maybe losing it on a monthly basis. On the other hand it would take them longer to reach the No.1 position so it's most likely swings and roundabouts.

Using your figures and taking into account the records of those players whose careers spanned both eras it would seem that Margaret Court would be in the shake up for the longest no of weeks.

Shw would have gone there sometime around May/June 1969 and stayed there until probably Sept/Oct 1971.

This ca only be a guesstimate but given that Bueno was out from May 61 for the best part of a year and the Slams were split she would have ascended to the top pretty early in 1962 and remained there into 1966 likely until after Wimbledon. Taking the overall year into consideration it would have been deperately close. 1964 would also have been very interesting. Despite Maria Bueno's winning both Wimbledon and the US, however it looks likely based on other results Margaret would have held on to No. 1 on the computer based over a year. So giving Margaret 221 weeks for this period plus say 78 weeks for Jun 69 - Nov 70 plus your figure of 78 weeks thereafter that would give her 377 weeks. Too close to call.
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That's a lot of work Preacherfan!

To me weeks at #1 doesn't mean a whole lot though. Even today, as a player I'd rather end the year as #1 with slams-and it's slams that make a #1.

Surely this was the thinking in the past-and even today it holds trur IMO.

Don't let old rollo rain on your parade though - ! great job!
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What was interesting to me was that Court was firmly #1 until she left the tour in '71. Then she came back and dominated in '73. King had a strong '71 and a great '72, but there was no Court. In the '70-'73 period, King was only at the top when Court didn't play. Goolagong's results were probably never good enough to attain a #1 ranking statistically. She got close to BJK a couple of times, but never caught her. Wade was a rock in the top five. I was surprised Richey didn't fare better, but she seemed to not play as much as the other top players. Casals had one month at #2.

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To me weeks at #1 doesn't mean a whole lot though. Even today, as a player I'd rather end the year as #1 with slams-and it's slams that make a #1.

Surely this was the thinking in the past-and even today it holds trur IMO.

Don't let old rollo rain on your parade though - ! great job!
Yeah, I agree. In the future, we'll remember the Slam winners, not the #1's. But all in all, during this period they're the same.
Court won the Slam in '70 and finished #1.
King won 3 Slams in '72 and finished #1. Court won 3 in '73 and was #1. Evert won 2 in '74 and '75 and finished #1.

Only '71 is a little debateable. Evonne won the FO and Wim and King won the USO. Evonne was also the AO finalist. However, the AO had a very weak field and Goolagong had an easy path at the FO. King won 17 tournaments that year and Goolagong 10. King won several big tournaments with quality fields including the German Open and the US Indoors. Some of Goolagongs wins were in small tournaments. I'm a big Goolagong fan, yet King's year is much more solid from top to bottom.

Do you ever wonder if Evonne regrets not playing the USO in '71? She could've had her best chance to win the thing that year.

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Great job, Preacherfan. I've always thought Chris Evert was the most consistent champion of them all!
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Add 91 to Evert and she's at 353.
Take away Gunther Parsche and Evert's #1.
Okay, that's unfair I know.

Yes, because then Seles is #1

But thanks Preacherfan. So Goolagong never was a number 1 player.
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That's a lot of work Preacherfan!

To me weeks at #1 doesn't mean a whole lot though. Even today, as a player I'd rather end the year as #1 with slams-and it's slams that make a #1.

Surely this was the thinking in the past-and even today it holds trur IMO.

Don't let old rollo rain on your parade though - ! great job!

It would be interesting to know whether if a player had a choice between making #1 and winning a Slam what they would decide.

In that position I would unhesitatingly choose to win the Slam.
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