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Most one-sided slam finals?

An important factor in measuring greatness IMO is whether a player was capable of totally dominating slam final matches.

So does anyone here know which players in the open era won slam finals with their opponents making 2 games at maximum?

Or to make it easier:
Who won, let's say, the three most one-sided slam finals in the last 20 years?



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So does anyone here know which players in the open era won slam finals with their opponents making 2 games at maximum?
1975 W: King d. Goolagong Cawley 6-0 6-1
1979 FO: Evert d. Turnbull 6-2 6-0
1988 FO: Graf d. Zvereva 6-0 6-0
1994 AO: Graf d. Sanchez-Vicario 6-0 6-2

Best left-right combination by a German (and that includes Max Schmeling): Steffi Graf. All she did in 1987 was knock Navratilova out of #1 and try to knock Evert out of the sport. (Mike Lupica in "The Best and Worst of Tennis in 1987", World Tennis)

"A couple of years ago, we nicknamed Steffi Graf's forehand 'Jaws'. And that music would go perfectly when she starts running in to the net, swarming on that little ball." (JoAnne Russell, during the 1988 Wimbledon final between Graf and Navratilova)
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It's funny but Graf probably wouldn't have even WON the '88 French had Andrea and Tracy still been playing and probably wouldn't have won the '94 Australian had Monica not been stabbed. So, it's hard to measure greatness based on someone blowing out the person who made it through the other side of the draw in a deflated field!
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I'm going way outside the time frame but what the heck

1939 Wimbledon: Marble d Stammers 6-2, 6-0

AND I might add Marble went on to win both the women's doubles and the mixed
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1975 W: King d. Goolagong Cawley 6-0 6-1
1979 FO: Evert d. Turnbull 6-2 6-0
1988 FO: Graf d. Zvereva 6-0 6-0
1994 AO: Graf d. Sanchez-Vicario 6-0 6-2

Ah, that's interesting!
And do we have other "demolition jobs" in slam finals (eg. 3 games max for losing opponent) in the last 20 years?

Perhaps with Navi, Seles or Williamsx2 on the winner's side?
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It's funny but Graf probably wouldn't have even WON the '88 French had Andrea and Tracy still been playing and probably wouldn't have won the '94 Australian had Monica not been stabbed. So, it's hard to measure greatness based on someone blowing out the person who made it through the other side of the draw in a deflated field!
You have a crystal ball or something?
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Ah, that's interesting!
And do we have other "demolition jobs" in slam finals (eg. 3 games max for losing opponent) in the last 20 years?

Perhaps with Navi, Seles or Williamsx2 on the winner's side?
Well there was a certain Wimbledon final...

RG '03 was pretty close to your criteria too, as Kim won only 4 games.
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Ah, that's interesting!
And do we have other "demolition jobs" in slam finals (eg. 3 games max for losing opponent) in the last 20 years?

Perhaps with Navi, Seles or Williamsx2 on the winner's side?
Open Era-

1968 AO: King d. Court 6-1 6-2
1974 FO: Evert d. Morozova 6-1 6-2
1975 USO: Evert d. Goolagong 6-3 6-0
1980 FO: Evert d. Ruzici 6-0 6-3
1983 FO: Evert d. Jausovec 6-1 6-2
1983 W: Navratilova d. Jaeger 6-0 6-3
1992 W: Graf d. Seles 6-2 6-1
2004 FO: Myskina d. Dementieva 6-1 6-2

Best left-right combination by a German (and that includes Max Schmeling): Steffi Graf. All she did in 1987 was knock Navratilova out of #1 and try to knock Evert out of the sport. (Mike Lupica in "The Best and Worst of Tennis in 1987", World Tennis)

"A couple of years ago, we nicknamed Steffi Graf's forehand 'Jaws'. And that music would go perfectly when she starts running in to the net, swarming on that little ball." (JoAnne Russell, during the 1988 Wimbledon final between Graf and Navratilova)
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I'm going way outside the time frame but what the heck

1939 Wimbledon: Marble d Stammers 6-2, 6-0
Well, in that case, you'd also have to include Dorothea Lambert Chambers' 6-0 6-0 rout of Dora Boothby in the 1911 Wimbledon final as well as Suzanne Lenglen's 6-1 6-0 win over Mary K. Browne in the 1926 French final.

Best left-right combination by a German (and that includes Max Schmeling): Steffi Graf. All she did in 1987 was knock Navratilova out of #1 and try to knock Evert out of the sport. (Mike Lupica in "The Best and Worst of Tennis in 1987", World Tennis)

"A couple of years ago, we nicknamed Steffi Graf's forehand 'Jaws'. And that music would go perfectly when she starts running in to the net, swarming on that little ball." (JoAnne Russell, during the 1988 Wimbledon final between Graf and Navratilova)
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Open Era-

1968 AO: King d. Court 6-1 6-2
1974 FO: Evert d. Morozova 6-1 6-2
1975 USO: Evert d. Goolagong 6-3 6-0
1980 FO: Evert d. Ruzici 6-0 6-3
1983 FO: Evert d. Jausovec 6-1 6-2
1983 W: Navratilova d. Jaeger 6-0 6-3
1992 W: Graf d. Seles 6-2 6-1
2004 FO: Myskina d. Dementieva 6-1 6-2

Thank you, samn.
But I asked for the last TWENTY years. We don't want to muddle the picture ....

BTW, who won the Grand Slam in the last 23 years?
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It's funny but Graf probably wouldn't have even WON the '88 French had Andrea and Tracy still been playing and probably wouldn't have won the '94 Australian had Monica not been stabbed. So, it's hard to measure greatness based on someone blowing out the person who made it through the other side of the draw in a deflated field!

Jorge, could you please explain to me how a Grand Slam where the top 8 seeds were all members of the previous year's top 10 is devalued? (RG 1988). I am at a loss to understand.
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An important factor in measuring greatness IMO is whether a player was capable of totally dominating slam final matches.

So does anyone here know which players in the open era won slam finals with their opponents making 2 games at maximum?

Or to make it easier:
Who won, let's say, the three most one-sided slam finals in the last 20 years?



You asked that question thinking it was Steffi didn't you? When Steffi was not the answer your next post extends the question to 3 games lost max in the last 20 years to crowbar Steffi's victory over Seles into the thread somewhere.

Steffi was a legend, we all know this, her record is second to none so do you need to start threads purely to try prove this point even more?


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You asked that question thinking it was Steffi didn't you? When Steffi was not the answer your next post extends the question to 3 games lost max in the last 20 years to crowbar Steffi's victory over Seles into the thread somewhere.

Steffi was a legend, we all know this, her record is second to none so do you need to start threads purely to try prove this point even more?

Why, Steffi was the answer!
Two of the four most one-sided slam finals in the open era saw Steffi as winner. Samn told me so.
And when we take the matches in the last 20 years where the loser didn't make more than 3 games we get Steffi as the winner in 3 of the 4 matches!
The Wimbledon victory of Seles in 92 - I almost had forgotten that!

Sorry, when you can't stand threads which prove Steffi being a legend. It is very difficult to discuss tennis history without - involuntarily - touching this aspect ....

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Why, Steffi was the answer!
Two of the four most one-sided slam finals in the open era saw Steffi as winner. Samn told me so.
And when we take the matches in the last 20 years where the loser didn't make more than 3 games we get Steffi as the winner in 3 of the 4 matches!
The Wimbledon victory of Seles in 92 - I almost had forgotten that!

Sorry, when you can't stand threads which prove Steffi being a legend. It is very difficult to discuss tennis history without - involuntarily - touching this aspect ....

Yeah, and Steffi was also the benefactory of two of the biggest choke jobs in open era grand slam finals (1991 and 1993 Wimbledon)! Not to mention all the other grand slam finals she barely won, especially the French Open, winning third sets of 6-4, 8-6, and 10-8, not to mention being three points away from losing in the '99 final. So while Steffi may have had a couple of the most lopsided grand slam finals in the last 20 years, she also seemed to have a disproportinate amount of close finals compared to the other elite champions of the open era.

As for 8 of the top 10 from the previous year (or whatever it was) playing at Roland Garros 1988, the point was that Jaeger and Austin -- had they remained healthy -- would have been in their prime and serious threats to Steffi, at least on clay.

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The most impressive one sided score in the Open era has to be King's 1975 hatchet job of Evonne. To do that to Evonne Goolagong is indeed.


Samm-the Evert killing of Evonne at the US Open was in 1976. The 1975 was oh so close!

Billie Jean was gracious after killing Court in the 1968 OZ final-she said something like, "Margaret is not back to her old form yet."


The first slam final can turn anyone into jelly. Evert got bagelled in her first slam final. We saw what happened to Dementieva. Poor Zvereva simply never gave 100% in singles after her 1988 humiliation. A shame really, as I thought she had a Wimbledon in her if she only tried.

Graf's 1994 god smacking of Sanchez was more of an acheivement IMO. Unlike Natasha, ASV never stood in awe of Graf. After that win no one would have bet Steffi would drop all 3 of the other slams!
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