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We would never ban someone for their first offence, unless it was for something really bad.

Here is the FAQ around Infractions & Banning. Hopefully that'll help you understand things a bit more.

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Again, and to reiterate Marcus's post, we can't be online 24/7. We also can't view every thread when we are online, so there may be times when we miss things. That's when we need you guys to use the report button to highlight anything inappropriate/offensive etc

And closing threads is a last resort. We try and posts warnings in the threads were we can before we close them. It's only if that's ignored that we'll eventually close it.
I guess it's about where you draw the line, I know it's a bit of a compromise and things can't be perfect here or anywhere else for that matter. Generally your team does a good job, what I was saying is that the lack of fear for punishment makes your job harder than it should.

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Let's not turn the thread into a fanbase slanging match.

Nicknames are fine. No one has said they aren't, but again, there are limits.

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Nicknames are a fun part of TF and GM, and it is our policy to allow nicknames that meet reasonable standards.

Nicknames that are excessively rude, sexist, racist, homophobic, insulting to a player’s religious faith, imply illegal use of performance enhancing or other drugs, sexual promiscuity and other such insults will be deleted/edited. Excessive use of such nicknames will be dealt with through warnings and suspensions as deemed appropriate.

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Can I shoot you a specific question?

I stan for Radwanska and always call her things like Hag etc. her fanbase generally makes jokes about her flopping and such. Recently my posts calling her Hag have been deleted or edited to call her Aga and I really don't understand why?

It's not baiting anyone for arguments or anything, just a weird term of affection
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Ok, people upset, reacting on Sharapova's case, despite many players probably suffering from it, is something not allowed here. But bringing on another players, eventually calling them "cheaters" and above all, bringing up events from 12-13-14 years ago why is allowed? (for example, the obsession with Justine's hand incident case).
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I guess it's about where you draw the line, I know it's a bit of a compromise and things can't be perfect here or anywhere else for that matter. Generally your team does a good job, what I was saying is that the lack of fear for punishment makes your job harder than it should.
Thanks. We try, and as I said, we're not perfect.

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Can I shoot you a specific question?

I stan for Radwanska and always call her things like Hag etc. her fanbase generally makes jokes about her flopping and such. Recently my posts calling her Hag have been deleted or edited to call her Aga and I really don't understand why?

It's not baiting anyone for arguments or anything, just a weird term of affection
Of course. I think 'Hagatha' was used by some of her haters in the past, and there used to be a picture of a really ugly face posted along with it. I know when I see it I edit it, as calling someone a Hag is hardly complimentary.

I can speak to the mods about it and get their thoughts

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Ok, people upset, reacting on Sharapova's case, despite many players probably suffering from it, is something not allowed here. But bringing on another players, eventually calling them "cheaters" and above all, bringing up events from 12-13-14 years ago why is allowed? (for example, the obsession with Justine's hand incident case).
If a player is called a cheater without specific proof of them being one, then that is not allowed. Report it. Calling someone handnin when she put her hand up during a match is hardly an insult or an obsession. That nickname has been around for 14 years.

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If a thread is in desperate need of moderation, the secret trick is to insult Coco Vandeweghe.

I'm only half-joking. In the past couple of months it has just been bizarre what gets and doesn't get moderated in GM.

I also think you're bad at catching the deliberate shit-stirrers and trouble-makers.
Do you have examples? Again, we can't always catch everything. That's why there is a report button. If you see someone shit stirring or causing trouble and it hasn't been actioned, then let us know.

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If a player is called a cheater without specific proof of them being one, then that is not allowed. Report it. Calling someone handnin when she put her hand up during a match is hardly an insult or an obsession. That nickname has been around for 14 years.


Even so, of course it's an insult. "Meldopova" for example it also was, despite it showed some facts. And it was banned and prohibited from this site. So the same should be "Handnin". Yet I'm still not so sure this story was not fabricated by some haters. Justine was disliked by certain groups of people for many unproved facts. I don't think she cheated. If players would really cheat, they would be punished. As long as they are not punished, it means they aren't against the rules. It's simple. But anyway I don't want to derail the thread, just came up with an example. Because it's too old of a story some on here keep coming up in some subjects.
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Re: Excessive moderation II

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If a thread is in desperate need of moderation, the secret trick is to insult Coco Vandeweghe.

I'm only half-joking. In the past couple of months it has just been bizarre what gets and doesn't get moderated in GM.


I also think you're bad at catching the deliberate shit-stirrers and trouble-makers.
Case in point:

Cheatermund: Used with some regularity in results threads involving Laura Siegemund.
Siegemund Fraud: Used once (by me), leading to the deletion of the post within a few minutes, although another post in the same thread containing the first nickname remained.

I see no material distinction between these nicknames. Either they are both acceptable, or neither are, and the first has been used sufficiently over the past 12 months or more that the moderators cannot have been ignorant of it. In the wider context, nicknames alluding to unsavoury, dubious, or dishonest conduct on the field of play have been and still are commonplace.

Maybe I'd just hit upon a particularly catchy nickname ...
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Can we stop the bickering and personal attacks please?

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Well, I remember things but for obvious reasons it's difficult to show you what has already been deleted. I don't keep a record of it. Sometimes you have to watch it unfold live.

On top of my head, an example of something that did not get deleted was black athletes referred to as degenerate ugly muscular dwarfs. I told an admin about it, but no action was taken. At the same the mods were busy vacuuming other threads for digs at Court (hot topic that day), mentions of moderation (to explain an edited thread title that no longer made sense), and other itty-bitty things. (It was a particularly strange day). I was not the only one who noticed the discrepancy, but of course any mentions of that got deleted too.

Reporting the usual suspects and repeat offenders for the 50th time seems pointless when nothing changes. The best of them (i.e. worst) know how to be subtle so that the individual posts in isolation or without context don't seem so offensive.
Thanks. I'm not sure why an admin wouldn't delete something like that, as it seems pretty offensive. I'll speak to the others about it. While it may seem strange to you, there was obviously a reason for the editing/deleting that was done. As I said, it's not something we enjoy or do on a whim. If you notice things like this happening and you are unsure why, then please feel free to send a GM mod or an admin a PM and they'll explain the reasons.

And while it may seem to you that nothing changes, reporting helps us a lot to catch things we might miss otherwise.

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Inconsistent moderation is the problem. The Sharapova thread was closed because it's "beating a dead horse" but discussions about player's form, games, looks and so on recur over and over again: there's clearly a double standard applied to that topic and, well, any other.

And the mods' robotic interpretation of the rules doesn't do anything to distinguish between quality and abusive/trolling posts. Well-written and well thought through posts get deleted because they veer slightly off topic or use a nickname while baiting and trolling (or just content-free) posts that keep within the rules remain.
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Case in point:

Cheatermund: Used with some regularity in results threads involving Laura Siegemund.
Siegemund Fraud: Used once (by me), leading to the deletion of the post within a few minutes, although another post in the same thread containing the first nickname remained.

I see no material distinction between these nicknames. Either they are both acceptable, or neither are, and the first has been used sufficiently over the past 12 months or more that the moderators cannot have been ignorant of it. In the wider context, nicknames alluding to unsavoury, dubious, or dishonest conduct on the field of play have been and still are commonplace.

Maybe I'd just hit upon a particularly catchy nickname ...
Well, for me, neither of those are suitable and both should have been edited. If you see it again, please report if it's not edited otherwise. Thanks

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Case in point:

Cheatermund: Used with some regularity in results threads involving Laura Siegemund.
Siegemund Fraud: Used once (by me), leading to the deletion of the post within a few minutes, although another post in the same thread containing the first nickname remained.

I see no material distinction between these nicknames. Either they are both acceptable, or neither are, and the first has been used sufficiently over the past 12 months or more that the moderators cannot have been ignorant of it. In the wider context, nicknames alluding to unsavoury, dubious, or dishonest conduct on the field of play have been and still are commonplace.

Maybe I'd just hit upon a particularly catchy nickname ...
Removing only particular posts is another issue anyway. Not every poster can say everything.
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I'd guess most of us want moderation to be the way we want moderation to be.

On the Sharapova thing I don't see why every time some player or public figure comments on it there needs to a new thread. It's old news. Boring. Everything's been stated - ad nauseum.

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Inconsistent moderation is the problem. The Sharapova thread was closed because it's "beating a dead horse" but discussions about player's form, games, looks and so on recur over and over again: there's clearly a double standard applied to that topic and, well, any other.

And the mods' robotic interpretation of the rules doesn't do anything to distinguish between quality and abusive/trolling posts. Well-written and well thought through posts get deleted because they veer slightly off topic or use a nickname while baiting and trolling (or just content-free) posts that keep within the rules remain.
I've already explained the reasoning behind the Sharapova thread closure. Can you be more specific about the types of other discussions your referring too?

And if you see any posts that are clearly baiting and trolling then report them and we can look at it. We can't action them if we don't see them which is the case sometimes.

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Removing only particular posts is another issue anyway. Not every poster can say everything.
You've already said this many times over and I have already explained to you. Can you stop spamming the thread.

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Boycott this forum or post all the kind of posts that this forum's mods want to hear in another tennis forum,
but not in this tennis forum anymore.

This extreme censoring, deleting posts, editing posts without notification, even banning german users only for political reason
in this forum is unbelievable, never seen anything like that.

Please inform me when this german moderator, who writes every bit of certain german players and delete all my posts who are
critical with those players, is no mod anymore. This can only be a matter of time. What this moderator does cannot be
in the sense of verticalsport.
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Well, for me, neither of those are suitable and both should have been edited. If you see it again, please report if it's not edited otherwise. Thanks
For you? There ought to be consistent standards applied across the board. It seems clear that these don't exist, and what happens to any given report or complaint depends largely on who gets to deal with it

As for your suggestion: Thanks, but no thanks. I have given up trying to work out what is acceptable here and what isn't, which is probably the main reason why I don't post here anywhere near as much as I used to, or as I would like to. I suspect I'm far from being the only one, but others' mileage may vary.
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