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So what do we do when a mod refuses to answer our questions?

I was told to PM a mod regarding deleted posts. I received an answer. Then I asked a few questions regarding the actual rule being cited, and I received a dismissal.

The initial response:
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Unsubstantiated accusations of draw rigging are no more acceptable than any other types of allegations without evidence.

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Unsubstantiated accusations of draw rigging are no more acceptable than any other types of allegations without evidence.

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1. Please cite where in the rules this is stated. I can't find any reference to this.

2. There were literally hundreds of posts in that thread speaking about draw rigging. People make thousands of posts on this forum each day that would fall under "allegations without evidence." I do not see any of those posts deleted, but my posts are deleted within minutes of posting. However, if such posts are truly against the rules, then shall I assume that we're to report the thousands of posts that make "allegations without evidence"?

3. How do you define evidence? The fact that the draw has the same players in each quarter at all four majors is evidence in itself, so I take it from your action of deleting my post that you don't view that as enough evidence to discuss the issue? Some clarification on what counts as evidence is needed.

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It's an obvious corollary to the rule about making false allegations about players as I already pointed out. All your points have been addressed.

This response doesn't even begin to answer my query. I asked him where the rule is. No link was provided. I asked him if his stretched interpretation of an uncited rule should lead us to report the many "allegations without evidence" that are posted on this forum. No answer provided. I then asked what sort of evidence would satisfy the rule. No answer provided.

Just an example of the sort of biased moderating on TF. I don't think anyone is surprised by this, but there you go.

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Re: So what do we do when a mod refuses to answer our questions?

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13. Unsubstantiated allegations

Unsubstantiated allegations of drug abuse, promiscuity, and other behavior are generally frowned on by the mods and could leave this site and its owners liable to legal action. Speculation about a player's private life is not a topic for GM. If a third-party, such as a newspaper, sporting regulatory body or court testimony is cited, the thread or post may be allowed. If the player herself makes a statement, the thread or post may be allowed.

Threads or posts based on your personal opinion about how a player dresses, acts, looks, etc. will be deleted/closed, and you may be subject to warnings or penalties. Please confine your posts on these topics to the suitable threads in nontennis.

Exception: The Interesting Pics/Captions thread, Confrontation threads, and other threads that are intended as obvious humor/satire may be allowed to stand. Please note this exception is made to protect the mods ability to leave such comments when reported. Offering a defense of “But my thread/post was satire so why was it deleted?” will not work. If it was deleted, it failed to meet the standards of the board. There are no “Get Out of Jail Free” cards in GM.
That's probably what he meant by "corollary". I'm guessing all unsubstantiated allegations aren't allowed.

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That is correct. Accusations of match fixing or draw rigging would fall under "other behavior" and the remainder of the rule would follow from that interpretation.

Planet Venus, I apologize for being terse. That thread was a mess and I did, in fact delete a lot of posts similar to yours. I should have linked to the above rule in my response. That's on me.


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Re: So what do we do when a mod refuses to answer our questions?

The GM rules were slightly amended (number 13) to more clearly reflect this to include unsubstantiated allegations towards draw or match fixing.

If a discussion with a mod does not produce an answer, you can contact one of the admins. In the end though you may not always agree with the decision taken, which is not the same as biased moderating however. In these cases of rigging a draw against or for a player, you will see that there is unlikely to be any evidence of this actually occurring. Everyone is entitled to an opinion as to whether or not it takes place, but you are skating on thin ice there for the reasons given in the GM rules.
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Re: So what do we do when a mod refuses to answer our questions?

How long does it normally take for mods to get back to us? I submitted a query a couple days when I saw one was online and active but I haven't heard anything back. Just wondering if this is normal?

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Re: So what do we do when a mod refuses to answer our questions?

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How long does it normally take for mods to get back to us? I submitted a query a couple days when I saw one was online and active but I haven't heard anything back. Just wondering if this is normal?
Depends on when the mod is available or how much time he or she has. If things don't work out, you can try another mod or an admin.
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Depends on when the mod is available or how much time he or she has. If things don't work out, you can try another mod or an admin.
Thanks for the very prompt response... much appreciated. OK, I'll wait a couple more days and see... I'm just afraid to go back into my thread at the moment

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Re: So what do we do when a mod refuses to answer our questions?

Ok. As a slight aside, many of the mods have the appear invisible mode on. Which means more may be available than you think at any given moment.
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