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I know this is very bold statement but since start of 2008 Ana Ivanovic is established on “GENERAL MESSAGES” subforum here like legitimate target for all kinds of attacks. Everybody have right to have own opinion about her career achievements, talent, game, looks… but in her case even when for example majority of all other WTA TOP100 players in 2008 choose her for official WTA Sportsmanship Award or this Year when she reach official WTA award for her Humanitarian work like UNICEF Ambassador – even that become popular source in GM subforum for new attacks, insults, even for mockery!?

If we compare WTA players “Public Image” with theirs status on this forum we will notice amazing correspondence. Two current biggest WTA Superstars Maria Sharapova and Serena Williams has same “Diva” status here like their “Public Image” is. Always in Focus… Somebody love, somebody hate, but nobody ignore them for sure. On other hand Venus Williams never attracted such attention, but her talent, powerful game and great personality have big respect everywhere, and same thing is with this board. Other very popular WTA girls like Elena Dementieva and Jelena Jankovic is also very popular and loved here, and again - same objections about this two which we will find here – we will find in other tennis or “celebrity” related articles in other media. Public image of some elite players don’t follow theirs tennis talent and results – in past most famous example of that was Justine Henin and now it’s mostly case about some of elite Russians (Safina, Kuznetsova, Zvonareva, Petrova) and exactly same thing which follow theirs public image we have here on tennisforum.com! Since start of work of this forum any player don’t have some “special status” (“help” or “anti-campaign”) so no big surprise why their image and status here is so similar with theirs real Public Image and status at WTA tour, so same examples we will find in cases of retired players like “Crowd Favorites” Kim and Lindsay, “Diva” Pierce, “Sex-Symbol” Kournikova, intrigue Hingis…etc… But all this with one big exception – in last about 20 months WTA player with probably “best” Public Image in that period (since 2008), “Crowd Favorite”, “Media Darling”, “Most Loved”… – is here at tennisforum.com player with probably worst status, “Legitimate Target” in every occasion , “Most Hated”…etc… All this is result of fact that If You want to attack Ana Ivanovic (especially her personality) almost all “weapons” is allowed here (since 2008) no mater how brainless is reasons or arguments for that attack, so basically biggest “crime” related to Ana Ivanovic on GM Subforum here which will maybe force You to “regret” b/c Your post about Ana is actually if You try to defend her or say something positive!? So this is not some childish appeal of some fan which want to see here that his favorite is “more loved” (or at least “less hated”)…

BTW this discussion is resumption of other thread discussion here initiated after so typical “GM vs. Ana” episode on TennisForum, so let's again this case will be example and evidence about permanently shameful (un)official Ana Ivanovic status on "GENERAL MESSAGES" subforum here:
In dramatic 1st round match against Hradecka after faced 2nd MP in 3rd set at *5-6 Ivanovic totally regroup herself and won 10 of next(last) 11 points winning decider 8-6. For one of this 10 points (not important point, but important for this story) she has little help of netcord and only point which she lose is after somebody from crowd "sabotaged" her 1st serve with loud comment. With that win Ivanovic also make history, because Winning three seasons in the row match at Wimbledon after saving match point(s) is unique achievement in Grand Slam history. After that dramatic match we have three new GM threads related to this match result. In title of 1st "Result" thread about this match instead "Ana Ivanovic" thread-starter use "Ana Ivanetcord" with obvious intention to belittle Ivanovic great comeback in last moment so final score is more presented like result of Hradecka bad luck or whatever. 2nd thread is related to that "loud comment incident" from crowd and have Title "Ana Ivanovic was called a Slut". Very inspirational Thread Title I must say, so if You dont want to discuss about crowd behavior You have chance to discuss is Ivanovic "slut" or not... and biggest irony is that actually only thread-starter heard that word (Slut). I'm open 3rd thread related to this match about that unique Grand Slam achievement that same player (Ana Ivanovic) at same Grand Slam (Wimbledon) three years in the row (2007vsVaidisova, 2008vsDechy, 2009vsHradecka) saved match points and reach next round. So moderators of this forum is faced in same time with thread with disrespectful part in title, with other thread which include even more disrespectful and disgrace part in thread-title (classic fake sensationalism) and my exclusive thread about some unique Grand Slam achievement. But to understand their (re)action is very important to notice that all three threads is related to in last 20 months "GENERAL MESSAGES" subforum legitimate and favorite target Ana Ivanovic so don't be surprised that instead to remove obviously malicious parts in titles of other two threads ("Ivanetcord" and "Slut"), they remove my whole thread from GM forum where he belong to Ana Ivanovic players subforum!? No big deal at all and like Ana Ivanovic fan i have much worse experience about her "SPECIAL TREATMENT" at GM subforum than this last case. But what a coincidence... couple hours after i notice that my thread was removed without reason from GM to Players forum I'm also notice that somebody here in same day open thread about Threads removing to players forums How do mods decide if a thread should be moved to player forums? so I simple ask about this case. After not so unexpected answer (btw totally unacceptable for me) which give me moderator who remove from GM my thread about Ana Ivanovic amazing Wimbledon 2007-09 achievement
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I know it's hard for you to understand, but most people don't care about trivial facts about Ana Ivanovic, get over it please, thread won't be moved back. End of story.
and after fact that no-one of couple WTAW Admins and Super-Mods involved in discussion about this case not find anything wrong in this moderator action included that "explanation" (OK... I know... Ana Ivanovic is "Legitimate Target" on General Messages" subforum) and refuse to back that thread to GM subforum again (or at least to "Statistics" or "Wimbledon 2009" subforum) I decide now to insist on Official TennisForum.com answer and explanation about shameful status which great tennis talent and lovely person, WTA star Ana Ivanovic, has on "GENERAL MESSAGES" subforum here in last about 20 months and WHY.


Personally I really enjoyed in last 4 years to be involved here in some interesting discussions about WTA, and why not to say, to try to help this forum to be better, more competent or interesting. Even when we talking about this subject, there is nothing so "painful" for me because most of this attacks on my favorite player on GM is so immature that it's so easy to ignore and not to give attention. But after 20 months I think enough is enough and I simple dont want to ignore this things. If some Admins/Mods is in doubt are this Ana/GM Problem exist or not on tennisforum.com i give You easy way to check - if all of this three statements are correct - WE HAVE PROBLEM!
1) All WTA big names on this board has in general almost same perception and status (which is great) like they Public Image and status on WTA tour is - but only exception is Ana Ivanovic (since 2008).
2) Ana Ivanovic current status and Image here at TennisForum.com is TOTALLY OPPOSITE with her current Public Image.
3) "GENERAL MESSAGES" subforum is place here where is generated her shameful status on this forum and that huge disbalance between perception about Ivanovic on this board and her overal Public Image.


If Forum Administration admit that this problem with Ana on GM exist will be any actions to fix that or same things will be repeated again and again? On other hand if all this happen here with Intention - I simple want to know reasons, and if Ana Ivanovic is so "unwelcome" in GM discussions is same thing here means for her supporters? Today where no matches on Wimbledon i hope forum officials has enough time to read this huge post and at least give me answer are we have problem here or not.

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Re: Is TennisForum.com trying to damage public image of WTA Star Ana Ivanovic and WHY

Coming from a fellow Ana fan, have you considered the possibility you might be bias?

If you don't like it then just ignore it, I rarely go into the 'who is you least favourite player' threads as I know what the outcome will be. I just don't pay attention to the haters, It's so much easier that way! As you said yourself Ana only seems to be hated on here, a forum I highly doubt she even knows about, so it's not exactly going to affect her at all! I think you're overreacting to be honest

I disagree with what the 'haters' say, but I'm not going to let it get me down or anything. Do you post on her own forum too?



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Ana's public image has no bearing what so ever on how she is treated here. Just because she is a nice girl who everyone loves on the tennis circuit/media doesn't mean she is above criticism or nasty comments from posters who don't like her. The way you worded your response you pretty much justify the nasty/hatred filled comments that come upon other players like Serena/Maria because their public imagine sees them as Diva's.

Just because Ana is this wonderful person in your eyes doesn't mean only nice things will be posted on tennisforum about her. She is a superstar and like all superstars she will be the subject of many topics of conversation including ones that you may not like. That doesn't mean we have taken up a personal vendetta against her.

You need to look past your bias when it comes to Ana. What you see as a huge accomplishment for saving match points, some people see as being incredibly lucky when you save match points 2 years in a row by hitting the net. If the worst thing that is being said about her is that someone in the crowd may have called her a slut and she is being referred to as Ana Ivanetcord than you are getting off easy. Spend one day in the shoes of a Williams fan and you will be begging to go back to the horrors that Ana has to endure here.

Ana will not be held to a higher standard here because of her so called wonderful "public image", she will be held to the same standards as everyone else. We do not base our rules around how the public views a player. If you think something has been posted that has broken the rules, report the post and we will look into it. This doesn't mean any action will be taken but it does mean at the very least we will look into it.
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Different People, Different Thoughts.

Where there's a lover, there's a hater.

It's reality.

Thai idiom said "Lovers have few, Haters have huge".

We just can't make all people to love all things that we love. But sometimes we have to control it too, like ~CANUCK~ said.

I believe everyone didn't mean to criticize, it's just their thought are too harsh for someone.
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What you see as a huge accomplishment for saving match points, some people see as being incredibly lucky when you save match points 2 years in a row by hitting the net.
Irrelevant, but the match point was NOT saved with a net cord. You could also interpret the obviously misleading title as an attempt to undermine a match point save by attempting to confuse the careless thread reader.

I don't think the problem here is about Ana Ivanovic at all. It's a general bias by moderators to move only certain threads to player forums. A common case is a Williams sister-related thread about some silly, trivial thread, which according to ^bibi^, should be moved to player forums, end of story. Yes, we know that a large portion of this forum is composed of diehard WS fans, but that is not an excuse for turning GM into a second WS player forum. Even the WS fans themselves admit that they have TWO player forums. The obvious bias shown by forum mods and admins is unbelievable.

Clearly, calling for preferential treatment for one particular player and her fanbase due to their public image is not desirable. But at least, mods should exercise some degree of fairness and consistency in their decision-making.

Ana Ivanovic is now retired.
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OP by looking at your join date you should have grown a thick skin by now. Every player gets bad mouthed on this forum that's just human nature. In the grand scheme of things this forums means nothing esp to Ana. When people talk crap about Ana you can fight back or just ignore it. If you don't want to hear bad things about her I'd stay away from GM and any threads mentioning her. The Ana subforum is a lovely place.

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...If you think something has been posted that has broken the rules, report the post and we will look into it...
To report some post!? If You not notice I just “reported” whole tennisforum.com Subforum (“GENERAL MESSAGES”) for unacceptable and shameful treatment of one of currently biggest WTA stars in last about 20 months! I simple want to know are tennisforum.com officials approve and support this “phenom” or just ignore (which have similar effect)? I not complain like: “Ivanovic has best image in whole WTA tour, but on this forum two other players has better…blahblah” – I’m talking about real problem: “Why WTA player with (probably) BEST public image in last 20 months in same period has WORST image on THIS forum”??? And like I says If any other girl with “utter-positive” image has even close similar problem here (Dementieva for example, Clijsters or Davenport in past, some of upcoming “new” nice girls like Wozniacki, Szavay, Cirstea… etc…) I will not complain of course. So I not asking why Ana Ivanovic status and image here is not “perfect” – i asking why her image here is “MIKE TYSON/ O.J.SIMPSON LIKE” and when will be stops with all that awful GM things which generate that?

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...she will be held to the same standards as everyone else...
If You talking here only ABOUT FUTURE… thank You so much… You just say exactly what I want to hear from this forum officials… But if You trying to sold me story that “nothing strange” about Ana Ivanovic is not happen on this forum (GM Subforum especially) since start of 2008 I must say that this attempt is pretty hypocrite from You!

Maybe we have problem in this discussion because for such long period Ana Ivanovic here is already established like “pure evil”, “cheater”, “dirty girl”, “fakest person”… etc… that people maybe have problem even to understand what about this man talking... So I will give to You one virtual, non-existing example from “twin” manstennis forum. ATP tour should be proud to have such champion and sportsman like Rafael Nadal is. With all his imperfections he is still recognized by sports/global community like great fighter, hard-worker, real sportsman and champion. But what if some ATP related forum all the time "supporting" and "approve" only in his case permanently used disrespectful fist pumping "ass scratching" or "fetid balls" so called "arguments" and only in his case whatever he doing, anybody is allowed for example to overshadow every his epic victory with some cheep theory about steroids... etc... etc... so like final results of that (un)official "Rafa Nadal is Legitimate Target here" forum policy after many months (20 for example) it will be nothing strange if ONLY in his case disbalance between his Public Image in general and status on ATP tour will be so huge in comparation with his awful image and status on that forum. That is case which we have with Ana Ivanovic here at GM subforum since start of 2008!

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

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1) All WTA big names on this board has in general almost same perception and status (which is great) like they Public Image and status on WTA tour is - but only exception is Ana Ivanovic (since 2008).
2) Ana Ivanovic current status and Image here at TennisForum.com is TOTALLY OPPOSITE with her current Public Image.
3) "GENERAL MESSAGES" subforum is place here where is generated her shameful status on this forum and that huge disbalance between perception about Ivanovic on this board and her overal Public Image.
I am interested to read that your complaint focuses on attack of Ana's weapons and personality.

Have you not seen the attacks that occur on other players:

Serena for making arrogant comments and being unfit.
Sharapova for grunting and having poor movement.
Henin for being a cheat.
Comments on Jankovic's looks.
Comments on Safina being a choker and a false no.1.

These are a few examples of the numerous comments we see made on here.

Are you seriously telling me that Ana gets a worse deal than anyone else ?
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perhaps if you didnt bring out some obscure mindless and pointless fact about Ana it would help her

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I am interested to read that your complaint focuses on attack of Ana's weapons and personality.

Have you not seen the attacks that occur on other players:

Serena for making arrogant comments and being unfit.
Sharapova for grunting and having poor movement.
Henin for being a cheat.
Comments on Jankovic's looks.
Comments on Safina being a choker and a false no.1.

These are a few examples of the numerous comments we see made on here.

Are you seriously telling me that Ana gets a worse deal than anyone else ?
But Serena is really arrogant and unfit time to time, Maria really grunting and has some problems with movement, Henin couple time in her career really "too much" wanted to reach some point, Jankovic face is not "supermodel look" that anybody must like it and Safina really choke time to time and because Serena better GS results her #1 spot is maybe not full deserved. All this "controversial" things connected to this players is part of theirs tennisforum.com image, BUT ALSO PART OF THEIRS PUBLIC IMAGES IN GENERAL. If we have case that for example Serena is for long period here treated like false #1 and choker, Sharapova to have big problems with her looks, Jankovic for grunting and having poor movement or Safina for cheating - that will be real problem of this forum if this site will be only place on earth where about some WTA players some things is implying which You will never find nowhere else. Like I say in last 20 months there no big difference between "public image" in general of any of WTA big names with their image/status on this forum... except in case Ana Ivanovic where that difference is so big (on negative way).

So where else You will find out of GM subforum of this site that Ivanovic is such a "cheater", "evil", "fakest person", "unsportsmanlike", "troublesome"... etc... Also if we talking about some of her real "imperfections" I'm just curious where in Bible You will find that "Don't fistpump" is 11th God's Commandments and that "Ajde!" is worst possible sacrilege... and exactly that is status of that's "crimes" on GM subforum (guess why)?

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

AMAZING BELGRADE MIRACLE: In just three years (2008-2011) 5 different players born in same city reach world #1 in rankings and several GS titles and finals (WTA singles: Ana Ivanovic and Jelena Jankovic, ATP singles: Novak Djokovic, ATP doubles: Nenad Zimonjic and Daniel Nestor... with notable performances of Bojana Jovanovski, Janko Tipsarevic and Viktor Troicki which is also all three born in Belgrade)

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But Serena is really arrogant and unfit time to time, Maria really grunting and has some problems with movement, Henin couple time in her career really "too much" wanted to reach some point, Jankovic face is not "supermodel look" that anybody must like it and Safina really choke time to time and because Serena better GS results her #1 spot is maybe not full deserved. All this "controversial" things connected to this players is part of theirs tennisforum.com image, BUT ALSO PART OF THEIRS PUBLIC IMAGES IN GENERAL. If we have case that for example Serena is for long period here treated like false #1 and choker, Sharapova to have big problems with her looks, Jankovic for grunting and having poor movement or Safina for cheating - that will be real problem of this forum if this site will be only place on earth where about some WTA players some things is implying which You will never find nowhere else. Like I say in last 20 months there no big difference between "public image" in general of any of WTA big names with their image/status on this forum... except in case Ana Ivanovic where that difference is so big (on negative way).

So where else You will find out of GM subforum of this site that Ivanovic is such a "cheater", "evil", "fakest person", "unsportsmanlike", "troublesome"... etc... Also if we talking about some of her real "imperfections" I'm just curious where in Bible You will find that "Don't fistpump" is 11th God's Commandments and that "Ajde!" is worst possible sacrilege... and exactly that is status of that's "crimes" on GM subforum (guess why)?
I don't need to guess because I know the answer.

This is a tennis message board open to anyone to join up to. The idea that it is being used as part of a secret conspiracy to defame Ana Ivanovic is beyond ridiculous - she is a tennis player, not a world leader and I'm sure the media have better places to go to gauge public opinion - for instance to actual tournaments.

This is an internet discussion forum, not a single player fan site so no player is beyond criticism - I'm afraid.

You have provided no evidence to back up your claim whereas I have pointed out similar treatment for other players - to which your answer is basically 'that's okay because they deserve it and everyone in the public domain thinks the same things anyway.'

Unless you can provide some serious evidence that she is being bashed - and you won't be able to because it doesn't exist to my knowledge - then the answer the original question posed in this thread is simply: no.

I think I've been reasonably patient indulged you enough in the last few days in spite of your bashing of moderators, their decisions and basically the whole forum.

I will open this thread again if you can provide some reasonable evidence to back up your claim (not a simple complaint about three threads being merged which, if you felt that strongly about it could have been resolved via private message to the GM moderator) which you can send me (or any administrator if you are unhappy with me) via private message.

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