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post #1 of 44 (permalink) Old Apr 28th, 2005, 07:00 AM Thread Starter
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Unhappy Multiple Accounts?

Can anyone please tell me why tom2791, Mirage, Gretchen44, and servatis are now all banned?

It's just tom2791 runs a very popular game (TST) and Mirage runs MTT, and it looks like those games will be dead without them

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I'm really shoked!

What the hell is going on with tom2791, Mirage and Gretchen?

Were this three persons for instance the same person?

I play in the game TST and tom2791 was away during 10 days, and a week two weeks ago. He told the members of the game that he had computer problems! Was he perhabs banned from wtaworld during this time due to abuse of multiple accounts??

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I'm really shoked!

What the hell is going on with tom2791, Mirage and Gretchen?

Were this three persons for instance the same person?

I play in the game TST and tom2791 was away during 10 days, and a week two weeks ago. He told the members of the game that he had computer problems! Was he perhabs banned from wtaworld during this time due to abuse of multiple accounts??
Actually, four accounts, not three

And he couldn't have been banned all this time because he posted this morning

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Wow, Tom. I must say, I had my suspicions with servatis and tom2791 from a long time ago.
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post #6 of 44 (permalink) Old Apr 28th, 2005, 01:26 PM
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Sorry, I thought posting that the games were closed due to the use of multiple accounts might have been a tip-off

Those four accounts were in fact the same person. While we do, on occasion, allow posters to set up seperate accounts specifically to administer a game (and allow mutiple people to run that game with one account), they need to a) get permisssion, b) be clear with game participants that this is a second, administrative account and c) not use that account to post elsewhere on the board.

tom/Gretchen44/servatis/Mirage, on the other hand, was actively trying to appear as seperate accounts, and was using those accounts to participate in the same games. The games Mirage and tom were running are going to be closed unless one of the participants decides to step in take over. Those usernames were also being used in other games. The posters running those games can decide what actions, if any, to take (needless to say, tom/Gretchen44/servatis/Mirage won't be participating)

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Thanks for clearing that up Griffin. I have no clue how he had the time to be four people.

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I can't believe it tom

you make a game, and then join it yourself???????? :retard:

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post #10 of 44 (permalink) Old Apr 28th, 2005, 02:52 PM
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I'm not thick enought to think s/he was the first, or the last, but, there you go.

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And may I ask what is considered to be a proof of multiple accounts?

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IP addresses, mainly. Of course there are limitations to using IP to match people, and there are ways to avoid detection, but every now and then someone goes out of their way to make it obvious.

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IP addresses, mainly. Of course there are limitations to using IP to match people, and there are ways to avoid detection, but every now and then someone goes out of their way to make it obvious.
Detection by IP address is not really valid. Examples:

1) if you sit behind a firewall of big corporate network with private address space and single pro-xy server for all outgoing traffic, every single person posting from that network will be seen outside as having the same IP address. The same is true for many ISPs who can not afford allocating public addresses. I used to communicate from a major ISP in Moscow, and I was behind not even the first - the second layer - of private addresses. Public addresses cost money. Private addresses are free.

2) if you are using a dialup provider, such as AOL, CompuServe or Netzero, you are likely to get different IP address every time you dial. On the other hand some people are certain to be given the address that you previously used

3) There are hundreds of freely available public pro-xy servers who can help you look like you are wherever you want to look being right now.. From France to China.

4) Some people like me could post from dozens of locations - like from home, or occasionally from work, or from friend's place, or from my supplementary dialup provider when I am on the road , or from Starbucks wireless , or from airport wireless. I am sure that if IP addresses are on your database, you can see me with dozens of different IPs. What does it tell you?

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IP addresses, mainly. Of course there are limitations to using IP to match people, and there are ways to avoid detection, but every now and then someone goes out of their way to make it obvious.
ys, the emphasis is on "mainly" here.
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ys, the emphasis is on "mainly" here.
What I am trying to say is that the faulty methods are bound to produce faulty results. I was once banned from a Russian soccer messageboard that used IPs for detection, when I sat in a private network with 11,000 employees behind it, and 1000 of them Russians or Ukrainians and most of them soccer fans like me. The guys were though fair in their banning method. They didn't ban me as a user . They banned an access from particular IP address. Which was good for me, good for my company..

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