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day5: Bertens (Vondrousova)
my day5 pick was Bertens (not Vondrousova, who was my back up), so I should be still in @Power Shot

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my day5 pick was Bertens (not Vondrousova, who was my back up), so I should be still in @Power Shot
4. In the case of a walkover, or a withdrawal, each player is allowed to have a back-up pick, selected at the same time as their initial pick. That back-up pick will only be used in the occurrence of a walkover or withdrawal, as stated above.

Osaka gave Bertens a walkover on Day 5.

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4. In the case of a walkover, or a withdrawal, each player is allowed to have a back-up pick, selected at the same time as their initial pick. That back-up pick will only be used in the occurrence of a walkover or withdrawal, as stated above.

Osaka gave Bertens a walkover on Day 5.
omg I forget this rule! Thanks! In my opinion this rule is not really fair though My pick went to the next round, but you need to use my BU, that's strange!

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Lol I don't like this rule
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4. In the case of a walkover, or a withdrawal, each player is allowed to have a back-up pick, selected at the same time as their initial pick. That back-up pick will only be used in the occurrence of a walkover or withdrawal, as stated above.

Osaka gave Bertens a walkover on Day 5.
btw this rule should be used only when the player you picked withdraws, not when it's the opponent! It's the first time I see this rule used when it's the opponent who withdraws...
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btw this rule should be used only when the player you picked withdraws, not when it's the opponent! It's the first time I see this rule used when it's the opponent who withdraws...
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No, it's if either player withdraws.

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No, it's if either player withdraws.
thanks for your answer. I think this rule is very unfair...
Because of this rule and Osaka's fake retirement, I lose the title here (with Konta on day 6 and Pliskova on day 7 I would have won, all my picks being correct, even the Bertens' one )

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thanks for your answer. I think this rule is very unfair...
Because of this rule and Osaka's fake retirement, I lose the title here (with Konta on day 6 and Pliskova on day 7 I would have won, all my picks being correct, even the Bertens' one )
You would have picked Konta to beat Bertens?

That's been the rule forever and I'm surprised you haven't seen it before. That's why back-ups are so important!

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You would have picked Konta to beat Bertens?
yes I picked her, thinking I was still in...
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That's been the rule forever and I'm surprised you haven't seen it before. That's why back-ups are so important!
Probably because I didn't see this case before. I think that this rule is not fair, for at least 2 reasons:
1/ the player I picked won her match, even if her opponent withdrew. She's in the next round but I'm not, despite I picked her as a winner... that's strange!
2/ when a player withdraws in the first round and is replaced by a LL, the LL is taken into accound, the BU is not used. But when there's no LL (in next rounds), as in Bertens vs Osaka, then the BU is used. In my opinion the BU should be used only if the player you picked withdraws, not in the case it's her opponent.

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I'm not sure I understand your second point. If you picked a player for the first day and she withdraws after the OOP is released then yes, your back-up would be used.

There are a lot of rules that I think could be re-visited, but no one ever really makes an effort at the end of the year so everything just stays the same.

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I'm not sure I understand your second point. If you picked a player for the first day and she withdraws after the OOP is released then yes, your back-up would be used.

There are a lot of rules that I think could be re-visited, but no one ever really makes an effort at the end of the year so everything just stays the same.
I meant that retirement or withdrawal doesn't lead to the use of the BU in every situations

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I meant that retirement or withdrawal doesn't lead to the use of the BU in every situations
Hi Ceze!

It’s my understanding that the backup is always used if either player withdraws, even when an LL is in play. For example:

DAY01 has Bertens vs Lisicki, and you pick Bertens. If lisicki withdraws, a LL is put in place, Mladenovic. Even though Bertens still plays, your pick is invalid and a back-up is used. This is because you picked Bertens to beat Lisicki; she now plays Mladenovic, making your pick invalid.

At least, that’s how I’ve always understood the rule now that you ask about it though, I could be wrong In which case, I’d argue that a “walkover” is different than a withdrawal before the match starts.



More importantly, back to your initial question of WHY this rule was in place for Osaka. The biggest reason is that we never know WHEN a player withdraws. Sometimes it’s done in press conference, sometimes on twitter, sometimes not until a player walks on court. So, in theory, often it’s nearly impossible to tell WHEN the walkover was actually granted. Therefore, I could pick Bertens after I knew Osaka had a walkover, but before it was made official, thereby making it impossible for the tournament runner to know whether my pick was made on time or not. Essentially, “start time” is impossible to determine, unlike a normal match where start = “first point”

This, plus the other obvious reason of the fact that no match was actually played, are the two big reasons why we void a walkover no matter what
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