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Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

This was long overdue, but I am not optimistic about Garbiñe becoming a factor again. I have the feeling that the game has moved on. Just off the top of my head, it seems like she has a bad matchup with every player that has won a significant trophy this year, and others besides — including a bunch of youngsters that are only now coming into their own. I don't think that a reworked FH would be enough. Sorry to be such a downer
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I’m more optimistic about Garbi turning it around cause the agressive incstintcs are there, it’s how she has played most of her career, since she was a child and part of what Sumykruza never really worked and was so awkward is precisely Garbi never truly adapting to this system of play or being comfortable with it.

Remember Garbi under Conchita in Wimbledon 2017. She played much more free and dictating the game while Sumyk was away with her wife Tu who had just given birth.


Also she needs to shorten up the rallies for another reason: Her body can’t sustain many marathon matches and this very demanding physically grinding style. It’s why she has broken and retired so much, it’s why Vika was breaking and retiring so much also.
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Is Mancisidor still coaching Arruabarrena? Mugu doesn’t strike me as someone who likes a lot of change.

As someone in GM pointed out, based on the wording of the official tweet (and just how long she stuck with Sumyk despite years of lackluster results), it sounds like Sumyk was the one who initiated the split. Whoever was responsible, thank god, it needed to be done.

It’ll be interesting to see who she goes with. In the interim, I wish she’d pay a visit to Robert Lansdorp, to rediscover those flat, hard strokes she used to hit.
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It took forever, lol (I also haven't been in here in forever). Sumyk should have been fired in Feb 2016, literally 3 1/2 years ago, when she told him to "tell [her] something [she] doesn't know" during OCC. Would have saved both of them a lot of embarrassing moments over the years.

But alas. I'll kind of miss it, because I did enjoy watching Sumykruza when she played well with margin, net approaches, and good defense. But it was often ugly and taxing to watch. I'll also miss them together, because these two were the peak delusional duo. I remember before Wimbledon last year, when Sumyk was saying there was no pressure to defend the title because "she's there to win another Wimbledon, not defend a title" and then Garbiñe literally said the same thing verbatim in her press conference. Or during Asian swing last year, amidst beatdowns from Riske and chokes to Siniakova, when he said she needs to look Tiger Woods and Djokovic for comeback inspiration. Or even before this Wimbledon. The only moment of truth or reality was during RG when Muguruza said, after beating Svitolina, that she wasn't there to win RG this year (or something to that effect). I should have realized then, the illusion of nothing being wrong was quickly slipping away, thankfully.

I agree with the notion she has 1 RG left in her, but I don't expect anything soon. Finishing the year in Top 20 and qualifying for Zhuhai would set her up well for next season, if she ever gets back to her best form. I'm more curious to see who coaches her. A lot of predictable options are taken but perhaps she goes for someone Spanish... maybe @Cindy and Kate knows something about Spanish coaches that will be able to taken on Mission Impossible


There are plenty of good coaches around, but there's still this notion in Spain that she is this super aggressive player that just can't find consistency. Imo, apart from being conscious that that is not the case at all (the first part), it should be someone who also knows the WTA and the games of the rest of the players.

Regarding her chances of success ( I mean winning slams again) I am quite in the middle tending to see the glass more half empty than half full. I am like 40/60, and I hope I'll stand corrected. And it's not because the game has left her behind: you just have to see what's happening this last RG and W to know that is not so much the case. Konta making a SF and a QF, Barty winning RG, Strycova and Svitolina making W SF. I like Serena, she's a legend, but if at 37, barely playing and with such movement issues, and as much as grass helps her to shorten the points, manages to win a GS, that will not look good on the tour. Imo the issue is more that the damage to her game is quite deep and I am not sure to what extent she still has the motivation or the humbleness to admit that she's regressed so much and that she will need some drastic changes. Just going through the same motions with a new face around won't change things much. If it really was Sumyk the one who's left, that imo is not a very good sign. Garbiñe always had a bit of a reputation of, at least, not being easy to coach, so we'll see.
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Regarding Spanish coaches, I think Xavi Budó would be a good fit.
He’s currently coaching Paula Badosa since end of last Season though.
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Just popping in to say, it's funny how few people seem to have a solid grasp on Garbiñe's game and the issues with it in recent years.

I was listening to The Tennis Podcast, and when discussing the coaching change, one of the hosts recounted a story from the WTA Finals, where another player (he said Wozniacki, IIRC, but I think he must have meant Pliskova) was asked about being in a group full of all hard hitters, and the other player said, "[but] Muguruza doesn't hit the ball hard."

That host was surprised to hear another player say that about Muguruza, but thankfully the other host said it was true, and that Garbiñe has lost the sting on her shots. It's fascinating how the casual observer still views Garbi's issue as being a basher with no variety/consistency. If only that were the problem. She'd still probably win more matches than she has with the CC pushing.
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Still without coach announcement?
I guess she’ll play Cincy and US Open on her own
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I guess she’ll play Cincy and US Open on her own
Watch her being dismissed in the first round of both. It's a total blackout. She's disappeared. I would like to think that she is retooling her game, but I have this nagging feeling that instead of being the chance she needed to turn her career around, Sumyk leaving her has been the last nail in the coffin and that she's done for good.
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She just posted this to Twitter,

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Sounds like Anabel Medina Garrigues will be temporarily assuming the coach role during Cincy.

On the one hand, I find it kind of troubling Garbiñe still hasn't found a coach (was she that serious about making a change or did Sumyk finally say he'd had enough?).

On the other hand, most of the top coaches are already taken, and I think Medina Garrigues is an excellent fill-in. She's fluent in Spanish, she's a woman (given all the unsettling rumors about the Sumyk/Mugu relationship, a female coach seems like a welcome relief...), and she knows how to deal with temperamental (aka stubborn and difficult) players.
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A solid performance against Keys today. A very close match, neither player at their best but good consistancy for both. Far fewer signs of panic from Mugy which soothed my weary soul.
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Watch her being dismissed in the first round of both.


She might look a bit calmer without the toxic Sumyk interactions (the spaced out/crazy stares, OCC and stuff) and there's this impulse to see improvements when there's a change, but it was all really in the same state of awfulness, even discounting the rustiness effect. Vintage trash FH, barely hit a handful of winners and choked a 4-1 TB lead with ugly FH UEs, against someone in terrible form ( like 60 UEs ?) who was literally hitting the fences at that particular time in the TB. I think the depth of her slump and the damage to her game and mentality is being understimated.
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She might look a bit calmer without the toxic Sumyk interactions (the spaced out/crazy stares, OCC and stuff) and there's this impulse to see improvements when there's a change, but it was all really in the same state of awfulness, even discounting the rustiness effect. Vintage trash FH, barely hit a handful of winners and choked a 4-1 TB lead with ugly FH UEs, against someone in terrible form ( like 60 UEs ?) who was literally hitting the fences at that particular time in the TB. I think the depth of her slump and the damage to her game and mentality is being understimated.
Spot on. And as always in the match thread people who obviously didn't see her play before 2016 making positive comments for her performance Great gif by the way.

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I wasn't impressed either. But she's free! I'll give it a little more time, even if I'm not expecting miracles. Let's see who she ends up selecting as her coach.
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It's like 2015 where she sacked Mancisidor and Conchi filled in. She'll announce a coach by Asian swing. It's weird, there was this random Osaka fan account, who days before Sumyk was actually fired correctly tweeted that Sumyk and Muguruza had split. This same account also then said she was going to hire Carlos Rodriguez, but that since Rodriguez runs an Academy in China, Muguruza would need a traveling coach and thus two coaches. I... don't know how true this is but it'd make sense to wait until the Asian swing (where many tournaments take place in China) to start work with him. I still wouldn't take that Osaka fan account seriously but it's weird how they called the Sumyk/Mugu split days before...

Anyway, there's bad news and good news from the Keys match.

Bad news—she sucks. Yeah, the damage to her game is extreme and will probably not be undone. I hope she can still have a mini Ivanovic 2014 renaissance year though.
Good news—she approached the match well. The first set she hit like 2 winners and 5 UEs, while Keys hit 21 winners and 27 UEs. It's crazy to see the disparity in these stats, but this is a strategy she hasn't been using against the big servers in forever. She'll never be able to match Keys power from the baseline so instead of trying to outhit her as she had done in the past, she was just focusing on keeping the ball deep, and forcing Keys to go for more and more (hence her crazy errors). She should have taken the TB in the 2nd set but yeah, she sucks. And Keys has enough weapons to turn a match in her favor in the blink of an eye.

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